BufordUSABlue said:Soulboy, in his usual direct manner :-) makes some good points and it’s difficult to argue against what is in effect the reality of the situation.
As much as it grieves me and with no small amount of somewhat foolish pride, we are in a difficult position here. If he returns and proves his fitness we cannot just simply refuse to play him as he is a contracted player for us who we have already disciplined.
A win-win (however bitter a taste it leaves in one’s mouth) is that we play him, he does what he is good at, scores goals and probably links up well with Aguero in the process and........ we win this fooking league??
His value remains intact as a result and we then move him on in the summer....... at a realistic value!! And we in turn move forward, onwards and upwards without him and consign the little shit to our history...
The truth of the matter is that we really don’t have a choice if he returns and makes himself available, hence his inclusion in the squad which is a good move on the clubs behalf.
Soulboy said:BufordUSABlue said:Soulboy, in his usual direct manner :-) makes some good points and it’s difficult to argue against what is in effect the reality of the situation.
As much as it grieves me and with no small amount of somewhat foolish pride, we are in a difficult position here. If he returns and proves his fitness we cannot just simply refuse to play him as he is a contracted player for us who we have already disciplined.
A win-win (however bitter a taste it leaves in one’s mouth) is that we play him, he does what he is good at, scores goals and probably links up well with Aguero in the process and........ we win this fooking league??
His value remains intact as a result and we then move him on in the summer....... at a realistic value!! And we in turn move forward, onwards and upwards without him and consign the little shit to our history...
The truth of the matter is that we really don’t have a choice if he returns and makes himself available, hence his inclusion in the squad which is a good move on the clubs behalf.
The daft thing is mate, is that I doubt Tevez will ever play for City again, and I have no issue with that.
My "defence" of Tevez is actually a defence of the manager. If Mancini chooses him to play, then I would back the manager's decision.
That's all. If Tevez ever does play again for us, it will be the responsibility of the manager... no one else.
cheddar404 said:Soulboy said:cheddar404 said:There's a difference between handing in a transfer request and refusing to play. Have you never handed in your notice at work if you're not happy with the company you're working for or do you go in, sit there and refuse to do your job? The second is gross misconduct and you're fired for being a ****. This is the real world.
Ah, so you're changing your argument now!
Before it was "No one would get away with what Tevez has done..." now it's... "he only asked for a transfer".
FFS.
Rooney publicly humiliated the rags far more than Tevez did. He accused them of lacking ambition! That's just about the worst thing you could say about that mob!
And one final point, you keep mentioneing "refusing to play".
Where are you getting this info from? If I remember correctly, he was found not guilty of refusing to play.
Or were you still on that desert island at the time?
-- Fri Feb 03, 2012 3:54 pm --
PistonBlue said:You can't compare Rooney with Tevez.
What Rooney did was (with some justification) question the rags signings and ambitions.
Tevez did the one thing I never thought I'd a City player do - refuse to play. And in front of the worlds media.
He's a ****. He lies about us, he slags our club and our city off and he refuses to play for us. He's dragged our name through the mud.
I'll lose a lot of respect for City, and the owners if this vile little shit is allowed to play for us again, and I really don't give a shite if we lose out on the League as a direct result of it - although we've ok so far without the prick.
We've waited long enough to win it, another year won't bother me.
Evidence?
Or are you just making this up to suit your agenda?
Same argument. Rooney - transfer request, Tevez - refused to play/warm up whatever. There's a way back from handing in a transfer request. There shouldn't be from refusing to play/warm up. I can't believe he's still here and like someone says, it tarnishes the FA Cup win seeing that twat holding the trophy instead of Vinnie. He wouldn't even put a City scarf on.
Notice how all the other example involves incidences that speak to a larger issue. Morality, equality, honesty e.t.c. The one about Tevez, speaks to "pride." A terrible thing to have in excess anyway.Skashion said:Alright, you lot, saying it is ok. How far does it go?
Do we ignore a racist incident by one of our players? Yes or no?
Mancini tells players to dive. Yes or no?
Mancini tells players to feign injuries to get other players sent off. Yes or no?
City bribe match officials. Yes or no?
Where's the line for you, or is there no line as long as we win the league?
Dax777 said:Time for both sides to reconcider.
Soulboy said:cheddar404 said:Soulboy said:Ah, so you're changing your argument now!
Before it was "No one would get away with what Tevez has done..." now it's... "he only asked for a transfer".
FFS.
Rooney publicly humiliated the rags far more than Tevez did. He accused them of lacking ambition! That's just about the worst thing you could say about that mob!
And one final point, you keep mentioneing "refusing to play".
Where are you getting this info from? If I remember correctly, he was found not guilty of refusing to play.
Or were you still on that desert island at the time?
-- Fri Feb 03, 2012 3:54 pm --
Evidence?
Or are you just making this up to suit your agenda?
Same argument. Rooney - transfer request, Tevez - refused to play/warm up whatever. There's a way back from handing in a transfer request. There shouldn't be from refusing to play/warm up. I can't believe he's still here and like someone says, it tarnishes the FA Cup win seeing that twat holding the trophy instead of Vinnie. He wouldn't even put a City scarf on.
If Tevez holding the FA Cup somehow tarnished that day for you, I would suggest professional football might not be your bag.
I'm now convinced you are on a wind up...
What were you like for the game against Gillingham? Was that day tarnished for you as well, seeing as Andy Morrison was our captain that day?
A known thug, drunkard, bullyboy. I loved the bloke. I assume you wrote a stern letter to The Pink about how it tarnished the day for you?
Dude! We were bought by a Sheikh who jettisoned 90% of our players in 3 years. Brought in an Italian to coach us. Poached our star from the club we hate with a passion. If he could we would have gotten the Granny Shagger too. Bought stars from any and everywhere. Gave moree money in wages to players, so much so we have to pay over half their fee, weven when we send them out on loans to help others. Brought in a perpetual City hater to help coach us up. After sacking an Ex Yewnited legend. Our first "post money legend" was a Yewnited retread.cheddar404 said:If you want to support a team that picks up a lot of trophies at any moral cost then why not support United? I thought this was a fundamental difference between us and them but clearly it's not.
Skashion said:Manchester City Football Club can confirm that a disciplinary hearing has been concluded in relation to a charge of misconduct by Carlos Tevez.
The charge relates to events during the Champions League match against Bayern Munich on September 27, 2011.
Following a detailed investigation and associated hearing, a disciplinary panel has upheld the charge of misconduct. Five separate breaches of contract formed the basis of the decision by the panel.
As a result Carlos Tevez has been fined four weeks' wages and has been suspended for a period of two weeks (deemed to have already been served). He has received a written warning as to his future conduct.
Carlos Tevez has been informed in writing of the decision of the disciplinary panel, and the club has written to the Professional Footballers Association for ratification of the fine.
The five contractual obligations found by the disciplinary panel to have been breached are:
1. An obligation to participate in any matches in which the player is selected to play for the club when directed by a club official.
2. An obligation to undertake such other duties and to participate in such other activities as are consistent with the performance of the player's duties and as are reasonably required of him.
3. An obligation to comply with and act in accordance with all lawful instructions of any authorised official of the club.
4. An obligation to observe the statutes and regulations of FIFA and UEFA, the FA Rules, the League Rules, the Code of Practice and the Club rules, including but not limited to breach of Rule E3(1) of the FA Rules (obligation on the player at all times to act in the best interests of the game and not act in any manner which is improper or which brings the game into disrepute).
5. An obligation not to knowingly or recklessly do anything or omit to do anything which is likely to bring the club or the game of football into disrepute or cause the player or the club to be in breach of the rules (as defined in the contract) or cause damage to the club.
Carlos Tevez has the right to appeal this decision to the board of the club. Any appeal must be made within 14 days.
Soulboy said:PistonBlue said:Soulboy said:Ah, so you're struggling to find the evidence?
As Wyatt Earp once paraphrased... "If it's a choice between the facts and the story, print the story..."
Evidence?
Did I dream about that night in Munich then?
He refused to warm up, and to play. You know it, I know it, the fucking whole world knows it. And yet you deny it happened??
I'm amazed there are City fans still defending him.
I can feel that you are struggling with this!
He was found NOT GUILTY. That's the facts. You can have any opinion you like, you can know, the whole world can know it... but Manchester City FC never foiund him guilty of refusing to play.
So, yes, you may have seen what you thought happened in Munich, but that's not what he's been found guilty of.
It's okay, a lot of people struggle trying to separate facts from dreams.
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