Tevez - staying or going?

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Rammyblues said:
Having had time to reflect of this I really don't see a problem. The player has in effect written a transfer request and seeing as he was signed prior to 1st June 2010 in terms of FFPR he is no longer a liability financially for the club.

Anything we do get for him will now act in our favour. The player himself has always given 100% on the field even after the initial transfer request in Jan so in that respect if no club bids for him and we cannot "ship" him out it does not matter.

The only real decision Bert has to make is whether he lets Tevez train and be with the first team squad.

In terms of the future there are only four possibilities

1) He buys himself out of the contract (unlikely - even though the reasons for leaving are family he still wouldn't want to pay the club most of his assets or those of his adviser.)

2) He is sold. In respect of buying clubs it has been well documented on here the likely destinations either Spain or Italy. In terms of Italy, Inter Milan seem to have ruled themselves out of any bid for him. Tevez has already turned down the opportunity of joining Juventus. Out of the remaining clubs there appears only to be AC Milan. The only deal that I can see would happen there is in relation to Ibrahimovitch, and I am not sure where AC own him outright or whether or not they are obliged to buy the player from Barca. In terms of Spain, Barca don't need him and have identified their targets as Fabregas and Sanchez. In terms of Real Madrid he could go there but whether Real would stump up our asking price is debatable given they are only offering a third of the value we paid for Ade. Would we really let a European rival take a player of Tevez's talent for 15 -20m. There could be some sort of player adjustment but these deals are extremely difficult to organise and I am not sure whether a) any of their players would come to Manchester or b) whether the club want those players. The other teams which may come into play are Athletico and Malaga. Malaga seem to have lots of "oil" money and may be a project Tevez likes and we may realise most of the transfer fee or again in terms of Athletico may be persuaded to exchange for Aguero. But please see comments above relating to such difficulties. Any deal for Aguero may be delayed until end of Copa America with Aguero stating any transfer will be handled by his agents but nothing will happen as far as he is concerned until after that tournament has finished.

3) He is loaned to an Argentinian team in the same way as Robinho, the loan in my opinion would have the same benefits to us under FFPR but whether this is done will depend on the Boca Juniors eg being able to stump up his wages and pay for the loan which could be at least 5m for the year, whether they have the finances for such deal is unknown. The advantage to our club is that we learn to play without him, he is not lurking around the first team and in many respect we have granted him his wish of returning to his homeland early. On the downside it seems to set a precedent that if you are unhappy at city, you can get what you want by being awkward and moody and it almost treats the club as "charity".

4) The club list Tevez on the transfer list as available for sale, we fix a figure for his release, if clubs match the release fee he is then free to join that club subject to his own negotiations, however if no bids are received by the time the window closes he has to honour his contract. Which then brings me back to where I started about whether the club under those circumstances would want him anywhere near the team.

Sorry for the long post, but this is how I see it and I am not ITK when it comes to predicting which way this will end up. IMO we will sell him for a fee that the club deem appropriate and re invest that sum on a player or players who will take our team forward next year. The most positive thing about this is that Vinny should be our Captain next year and in games where we have had Silva, Yaya and NDJ playing even without Tevez we can still win. Losing him is NOT the be all and end all of City far from it and without his greed on the pitch it may be some of the other players might start to blosum more.
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Good post.

I think he'll stay and just have to get on with it. I'm sure there's another 19 year old Spanish speaking bird somewhere out there...

I'll be amazed and livid if he's allowed to go on the cheap. And for me anything below £35M is cheap.
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I dont care.. £25m is fine with me. His wages will be a huge drag on his value. And I dont want him here, he will just do this same crap in December again.. and next summer..

Im ready for Capt Kompany.
 
okstate99 said:
1.618034 said:
Rammyblues said:
Having had time to reflect of this I really don't see a problem. The player has in effect written a transfer request and seeing as he was signed prior to 1st June 2010 in terms of FFPR he is no longer a liability financially for the club.

Anything we do get for him will now act in our favour. The player himself has always given 100% on the field even after the initial transfer request in Jan so in that respect if no club bids for him and we cannot "ship" him out it does not matter.

The only real decision Bert has to make is whether he lets Tevez train and be with the first team squad.

In terms of the future there are only four possibilities

1) He buys himself out of the contract (unlikely - even though the reasons for leaving are family he still wouldn't want to pay the club most of his assets or those of his adviser.)

2) He is sold. In respect of buying clubs it has been well documented on here the likely destinations either Spain or Italy. In terms of Italy, Inter Milan seem to have ruled themselves out of any bid for him. Tevez has already turned down the opportunity of joining Juventus. Out of the remaining clubs there appears only to be AC Milan. The only deal that I can see would happen there is in relation to Ibrahimovitch, and I am not sure where AC own him outright or whether or not they are obliged to buy the player from Barca. In terms of Spain, Barca don't need him and have identified their targets as Fabregas and Sanchez. In terms of Real Madrid he could go there but whether Real would stump up our asking price is debatable given they are only offering a third of the value we paid for Ade. Would we really let a European rival take a player of Tevez's talent for 15 -20m. There could be some sort of player adjustment but these deals are extremely difficult to organise and I am not sure whether a) any of their players would come to Manchester or b) whether the club want those players. The other teams which may come into play are Athletico and Malaga. Malaga seem to have lots of "oil" money and may be a project Tevez likes and we may realise most of the transfer fee or again in terms of Athletico may be persuaded to exchange for Aguero. But please see comments above relating to such difficulties. Any deal for Aguero may be delayed until end of Copa America with Aguero stating any transfer will be handled by his agents but nothing will happen as far as he is concerned until after that tournament has finished.

3) He is loaned to an Argentinian team in the same way as Robinho, the loan in my opinion would have the same benefits to us under FFPR but whether this is done will depend on the Boca Juniors eg being able to stump up his wages and pay for the loan which could be at least 5m for the year, whether they have the finances for such deal is unknown. The advantage to our club is that we learn to play without him, he is not lurking around the first team and in many respect we have granted him his wish of returning to his homeland early. On the downside it seems to set a precedent that if you are unhappy at city, you can get what you want by being awkward and moody and it almost treats the club as "charity".

4) The club list Tevez on the transfer list as available for sale, we fix a figure for his release, if clubs match the release fee he is then free to join that club subject to his own negotiations, however if no bids are received by the time the window closes he has to honour his contract. Which then brings me back to where I started about whether the club under those circumstances would want him anywhere near the team.

Sorry for the long post, but this is how I see it and I am not ITK when it comes to predicting which way this will end up. IMO we will sell him for a fee that the club deem appropriate and re invest that sum on a player or players who will take our team forward next year. The most positive thing about this is that Vinny should be our Captain next year and in games where we have had Silva, Yaya and NDJ playing even without Tevez we can still win. Losing him is NOT the be all and end all of City far from it and without his greed on the pitch it may be some of the other players might start to blosum more.
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Good post.

I think he'll stay and just have to get on with it. I'm sure there's another 19 year old Spanish speaking bird somewhere out there...

I'll be amazed and livid if he's allowed to go on the cheap. And for me anything below £35M is cheap.
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I dont care.. £25m is fine with me. His wages will be a huge drag on his value. And I dont want him here, he will just do this same crap in December again.. and next summer..

Im ready for Capt Kompany.
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Oh I'm ready for Capt Kompany too mate and after this it's a Given whether Tvez stays or not.

I just have a bigger problem with us letting him go "cheap" compared to him staying and banging in another 20 goals for us...

We've seen that his performances aren't affected by this homesickness so why let him go just because he says he's miserable. He's on a long and very lucrative, not to mention legally binding, contract. So either someone stumps up what's owed to us or he stays and helps us progress. Simple.
 
There is a new quote from Zanetti (Inter football director) on twitter.. cant find it on a news paper yet.

ZANETTI: "TEVEZ is a player anybody would want to have. The market is still open. There can still be some surprises"

EDIT to add link

<a class="postlink" href="http://twitter.com/#!/MundoAlbicelest/status/88288149545025536" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://twitter.com/#!/MundoAlbicelest/s ... 9545025536</a>
 
I'd be surprised if Tevez has not got something lined up. Has there been any talk of his 'need' for Champions League if he stays in Europe. Could Malaga be an outside bet?

Tevez has been magnificent on the pitch for us and will be remembered for those displays. Unfortunately he will also be remembered for his contract discussions.

I hope his transfer is resolved quickly but suspect that it will drag on, certainly until the Copa America finishes 24 July.
 
okstate99 said:
There is a new quote from Zanetti (Inter football director) on twitter.. cant find it on a news paper yet.

ZANETTI: "TEVEZ is a player anybody would want to have. The market is still open. There can still be some surprises"

EDIT to add link

<a class="postlink" href="http://twitter.com/#!/MundoAlbicelest/status/88288149545025536" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://twitter.com/#!/MundoAlbicelest/s ... 9545025536</a>
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good.
 
Isn't Tevez seeing a young Argentinian tv presenter - Brenda something? Maybe that's part of the reason he wants to stay in Argentina.
 
Wonder if Tevez realises that when his missus gets pissed off with him again (which she will, they seem pretty volatile as a couple.) and runs off back to Argentina with his kids (again) that no other club would allow him the things we have. Wouldn't get away with the shit he has pulled with us at any of the big clubs in Spain or Italy! Give him 18 months at whatever club he goes to and he will be off again.
 
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