The Boxing thread

Marlo said:
Agree with a lot this but I think Fury could cause Usyk more problems. Fury would be clinching him and leaning on him, think it would be difficult for Usyk to to combat that for 12 rounds.

If people want to see why boxers are so concerned about losing, read this thread. A lot of boxing fans see losses as some incurable career disease, not forgetting the best boxers like SRR or Ali all had losses. This idea that as soon as you lose you are terrible boxer who is unbelievably shit has to change. I blame Mayweather for it personally!!!
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I blame Brian Nielsen
 
Onholiday(somemightsay) said:
Fair and reasoned - to be fair to Joshua he has maximised a very lucrative career riding the crest of a wave from the Olympics and on relatively limited talent...........
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He’s very marketable but with that massively overhyped. I think someone made a good point earlier about him not really having a fighters heart. He looked like he didn’t have any deep down belief he would win that last night, even with the power he does have and could cause the problem with.

Joshua looked like Chelsea did in possession yesterday… didn’t really want it because they were scared of what City would do.

His corner didn’t help with that, but maybe they also see his limitations and don’t believe in him so were also just being pragmatic - “keep your left hand up, that’s why your eye is swelling up” instead of “come forward on a solid jab and start to use your right cross”.
 
Usyk was outstanding, last night, as he always has been. That he coped easily with a much larger opponent is testimony to his skill. I am also not sure that AJ is that bothered - he's achieved a lot but he never struck me as someone in love with the sport, nor someone who placed all his value as a man in what he achieved in the ring. Good luck to him whatever he now decides to do.
 
Onholiday(somemightsay) said:
I even fell for it and backed him as an outside shot against Haye when he was talking all biblical after he layed out Sprott with that punch - never again.............
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I think that was sarcasm, it surely had to be. They tried to hype Harrison but "lucrative career"? Harrison burned people so bad that people refused to give AJ any credit from day one no matter how many times he proved them wrong.
 
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Metalartin said:
Wilder was only picked to beat Fury because Fury was out of shape. The whole reason that fight happened. Wlad was picked to beat AJ too and there's not a name on Fury's resume that AJ wouldn't beat either. You don't get to where AJ got to without having something special at the speed he did it(faster than Fury and he boxed since 10 years old).

AJ has unified titles, defended multiple times against mandataries. Fury is yet to do either. He beat Wlad, ducked the rematch, came back had a few tune-ups and fought a protected hype job with one good punch. Since coming back the only fights of note he's had are Wilder and Otto Wallin(AJ's old sparring partner for the Charles Martin fight) who caused him more problems than he should have(other fighters would have been slated for that).

Usyk beats Fury IMO. When has Fury ever been in with someone with better footwork than him and faster hands? He's not outboxing Usyk and he's definitely not knocking him out. He wont take that fight, he'll downplay it, he wasn't even going to fight AJ IMO.
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Joshua is simply a marketing man’s dream. He is frank bruno with an edge and I say that as someone who always believed Bruno was a lot better than he was given credit for.
Tyson is a true fighting man. I don’t think he would simply beat Joshua, I believe he would ruin him. He would box Usyk’s head off for 12 rounds and win a UD with ease.
 
Kazzydeyna said:
Joshua is simply a marketing man’s dream. He is frank bruno with an edge and I say that as someone who always believed Bruno was a lot better than he was given credit for.
Tyson is a true fighting man. I don’t think he would simply beat Joshua, I believe he would ruin him. He would box Usyk’s He would box Usyk’s head off for 12 rounds and win a UD with ease.
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That's nice but I disagree with pretty much all of that, especially the last part.

The saying goes "A good big guy beats a good small guy of equal skill" but they aren't of equal skill for me. Tyson Fury is a good boxer but he's overrated himself by too many. He is beatable the times he's been hurt, rocked, put down and struggled against people he shouldn't have shown that but excuses are made for him that others wouldn't get. I think he could get found out by someone who plays his own game better than him on the boxing and ring IQ side of things.
 
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Paul1970 said:
Joshua is a very good fighter but last night he was beaten by a fighter who was levels above him and you are right about about fury aswell because usyk beats him easily aswell. The only way you beat usyk is by going in there and actually trying to go to war with him which again may not guarantee the win but at least you have a chance because outboxing him is not going to happen. Not very often you see elite fighters come around so make the most of it and enjoy. And don’t forget in 19 pro fights with his guy has unified cruiserweight and has 3 heavyweight belts .
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I wouldn’t be so sure regarding Fury. It’s not like Usyk can’t be hit Joshua managed that plenty and up until the 9th it must have been very tight on the cards. Great performance by Usyk last night but in my opinion Fury’s extra speed, height, reach and movement means he could win the fight off his jab if he chooses to fight that way.
 
Craig said:
I wouldn’t be so sure regarding Fury. It’s not like Usyk can’t be hit Joshua managed that plenty and up until the 9th it must have been very tight on the cards. Great performance by Usyk last night but in my opinion Fury’s extra speed, height, reach and movement means he could win the fight off his jab if he chooses to fight that way.
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How the hell was this fight tight going into the 9th round ! If this was in any other country it would have been a landslide for usyk but typical British scoring like Howard foster having it neck and neck going into the final round . Sorry but this was a landslide for usyk. I don’t think fury wants anything to do with usyk tbh but you never know . I like Tyson fury but he will not have it easy again against wilder
 
Paul1970 said:
How the hell was this fight tight going into the 9th round ! If this was in any other country it would have been a landslide for usyk but typical British scoring like Howard foster having it neck and neck going into the final round . Sorry but this was a landslide for usyk. I don’t think fury wants anything to do with usyk tbh but you never know . I like Tyson fury but he will not have it easy again against wilder
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After 9 rounds it wasn’t a landslide. The scorecards were not a landslide and the commentators had it about even after 8. I thought Usyk was at least 1 ahead minimum after 8 and obviously the last rounds made it a very certain Usyk victory. If you look at the the judges scores it’s fairly clear they must have had it close after 8.

No disputing the better boxer won and it was a great fight to watch. He’s also a better fighter than Fury for me but with the physical advantage I think Fury beats him. Hopefully it’s a fight we all actually get to see one day.
 
How does Joshua win a rematch with usyk ?
I think the only way he does is by dragging him into a war but the only problem with that is usyk can clearly hurt Joshua which he did numerous times last night infact his trainer told him not to knock Joshua and stick to the game plan so that could be problematic. If I was Joshua I would go straight in again but take a warm up fight against someone who fights like usyk but that again is difficult because no one does . This is not Ruiz jnr rematch and I cant see him winning it .
 
Craig said:
After 9 rounds it wasn’t a landslide. The scorecards were not a landslide and the commentators had it about even after 8. I thought Usyk was at least 1 ahead minimum after 8 and obviously the last rounds made it a very certain Usyk victory. If you look at the the judges scores it’s fairly clear they must have had it close after 8.

No disputing the better boxer won and it was a great fight to watch. He’s also a better fighter than Fury for me but with the physical advantage I think Fury beats him. Hopefully it’s a fight we all actually get to see one day.
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We need to see these fights mate I mean his easy was it to make Joshua and usyk it should be just as easy for fights like Joshua - fury Joshua - whyte . I think the scoring favoured Joshua and they were getting ready for an Eddie Hearn special but usyk took it away from them I just can’t see how that was even going into the ninth .
 
Paul1970 said:
We need to see these fights mate I mean his easy was it to make Joshua and usyk it should be just as easy for fights like Joshua - fury Joshua - whyte . I think the scoring favoured Joshua and they were getting ready for an Eddie Hearn special but usyk took it away from them I just can’t see how that was even going into the ninth .
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Yeah totally agree we need to see these fights made soon. To be honest at the end I still wasn’t certain Usyk would get the decision which says it all about boxing. I thought the Hatton decision was a warm up for a bigger scandal.
 
domalino said:
Losing this is so incredibly AJ. Just like Ruiz he was more focused on the next one.
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There's no way he would've been overlooking Usyk like he did Ruiz. He came in fully prepared tonight, make no mistake.

Usyk just showed there's levels. He put on an absolute clinic last night. Joshua just didn't have an answer, at all.

Usyk's the best Cruiserweight of all time and will go down as an ATG.

Fury vs Usyk will be a great fight, but I feel Tyson will know how to use his weight and height advantage in a way that Joshua couldn't. Fury is a much better boxer than Joshua and Usyk might not be able to bridge that size gap as the technical advantage won't be as great.

What a shame we'll probably never see Fury vs Joshua though, Fury probably would've done a Wilder 2 on Joshua, on that showing anyway.
 
SWPISHOME said:
What a performance from Usyk last night the man is an absolute machine! Possibly the best I've ever seen his head movement, footwork, timing of shots he's porn of the boxing world, Had the luxury of seen him in the flesh against Bellew thankfully!

I was 100% convinced he would beat Joshua last night and boy did he put on a show, Joshua got his arse handed to him he's nothing but a big shit static robot.
I'd say Tyson Fury was raging last night watching it too, I hope this puts the whole Joshua v Fury debate to bed now once and for all, Joshua shouldn't be named in the same bracket as Fury! Fury would take the piss out of Joshua for 12 rounds completely go to town on him.

Anyway, I hope Usyk takes over now he's capable of beating absolutely anybody he fears nobody and rightly so.

GET IN USYK!
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he is some fighter
 
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