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leighton
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Rodger Mayweather talking about Pac v Mosley. Pac wants Mosley to take a Olympic Style Drugs test yet he wont take the same test himself.
“Well I hear what Freddie Roach said: ‘Oh, Shane Mosley got to take the test! Shane Mosley got to take a drug test!’ Pacquiao don’t even take a f*cking test. But he tells Shane Mosley has to take a test. Well what does Pacquiao have to take? They’re both fighters, ain’t they? Then they’re both supposed to take the test. I see that’s why him and my nephew never fought. Him and my nephew never fought because of one thing. Because of all that stuff, ‘Can I take the test two days or three days before the fight?’ Who would take the test two or three days before the fight? No, they said this, ‘We’re going to test you a couple of days before the fight and we’re going to test you right after the fight’. And you know what happened? That’s why the fight never happened, because of the fact he didn’t want to take a test. That’s it! He knows what he would have gotten. Pacquiao knows what he would have gotten. He knows, period and it wouldn’t be close. Shane Mosley and my nephew wasn’t close, was it? Okay then! This fight with Pacquiao, Pacquiao’s been knocked out twice at 105 pounds. Now he’s beating guys 150 pounds? Man, please! Everybody knows what time it is. Ain’t nobody no fool. He said he wouldn’t take the test. He said he’d take a test two or three days before the fight, but the doctor said you have to take a test right after the fight. Why do you think they never fought? That’s the reason! That’s the reason right there, because he already knew. I ain’t even got to tell you. I ain’t got to say, ‘Oh, Pacquiao’s on something! Oh, Pacquiao’s doing this! Oh, Pacquiao’s doing! I ain’t got to say that. I ain’t got to say that, just like Shane Mosley was doing something, too. Well they said Shane Mosley has to take a test, but if Shane Mosley has got to take a test what’s Pacquiao have to do? Shane Mosley has to take Olympic-style testing. Well what is Pacquiao supposed to do? He ain’t going to get the test at all? Alright, then! I ain’t got to tell you what time it is.”
Dont get me wrong most know my views on Pac after pulling out of the Money fight over the random drug testing he must of been on something to pull out of the fight with Money. Yet again Pac is avoiding a drugs test if Rodger is right in what he is saying. No wonder the fight has never happend. Pacs early years was great and he was in some wars and has hit the canvas a number of times but in the last couple of years he hasnt been hurt in any of his fights against bigger men. It does make you question if Pac is on something.
“Well I hear what Freddie Roach said: ‘Oh, Shane Mosley got to take the test! Shane Mosley got to take a drug test!’ Pacquiao don’t even take a f*cking test. But he tells Shane Mosley has to take a test. Well what does Pacquiao have to take? They’re both fighters, ain’t they? Then they’re both supposed to take the test. I see that’s why him and my nephew never fought. Him and my nephew never fought because of one thing. Because of all that stuff, ‘Can I take the test two days or three days before the fight?’ Who would take the test two or three days before the fight? No, they said this, ‘We’re going to test you a couple of days before the fight and we’re going to test you right after the fight’. And you know what happened? That’s why the fight never happened, because of the fact he didn’t want to take a test. That’s it! He knows what he would have gotten. Pacquiao knows what he would have gotten. He knows, period and it wouldn’t be close. Shane Mosley and my nephew wasn’t close, was it? Okay then! This fight with Pacquiao, Pacquiao’s been knocked out twice at 105 pounds. Now he’s beating guys 150 pounds? Man, please! Everybody knows what time it is. Ain’t nobody no fool. He said he wouldn’t take the test. He said he’d take a test two or three days before the fight, but the doctor said you have to take a test right after the fight. Why do you think they never fought? That’s the reason! That’s the reason right there, because he already knew. I ain’t even got to tell you. I ain’t got to say, ‘Oh, Pacquiao’s on something! Oh, Pacquiao’s doing this! Oh, Pacquiao’s doing! I ain’t got to say that. I ain’t got to say that, just like Shane Mosley was doing something, too. Well they said Shane Mosley has to take a test, but if Shane Mosley has got to take a test what’s Pacquiao have to do? Shane Mosley has to take Olympic-style testing. Well what is Pacquiao supposed to do? He ain’t going to get the test at all? Alright, then! I ain’t got to tell you what time it is.”
Dont get me wrong most know my views on Pac after pulling out of the Money fight over the random drug testing he must of been on something to pull out of the fight with Money. Yet again Pac is avoiding a drugs test if Rodger is right in what he is saying. No wonder the fight has never happend. Pacs early years was great and he was in some wars and has hit the canvas a number of times but in the last couple of years he hasnt been hurt in any of his fights against bigger men. It does make you question if Pac is on something.
conormcfc
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I disagree. Floyd has shown that he's vulnerable in the early rounds a few times now. It's once he gets out of those opening 3 rounds that he starts to figure out his opponents' style and get to work on those counter punches. If Hearns got Floyd into the situation that Mosley did in round 2 of their fight, you have to favour Hearns to get the stoppage imo. He was a devastating finisher. If it got past those opening rounds then I'd probably favour Floyd, be interesting to see how Floyd copes with the Hitman's long jab though.el_genio said:Nobody takes Floyd out early with his chin, toughness and defensive skill.
Fame Monster
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leighton said:Dont get me wrong most know my views on Pac after pulling out of the Money fight over the random drug testing he must of been on something to pull out of the fight with Money.
I'm sure an intermediary said that it was Mayweather who pulled out of the fight. And, once again, it was Mayweather who lied to the media and got found out.
Edit: from Wiki
Manny Pacquiao was named as the Fighter of the Decade for years 2000–2009 by the Boxing Writers Association of America (BWAA). This award was presented by legendary boxer Joe Frazier, who was also a recipient of the award himself back in 1978 for defeating Muhammad Ali. Aside from this prestigious recognition, he was also named as the Sugar Ray Robinson Fighter of the Year for 2009, having received the same honor in 2006 and 2008. The awards ceremony was held at the Roosevelt Hotel in New York City on June 4, 2010.[6]
After his victory over Clottey, Pacquiao was expected to return to boxing in late 2010 with a possible matchup against Floyd Mayweather Jr. It was later reported that Golden Boy Promotions CEO Richard Schaefer and Top Rank Chief Bob Arum worked out a '"Super Fight" between Manny Pacquiao and Floyd Mayweather Jr. However, complications arose when Mayweather requested Pacquiao undergo random blood and urine testing up until the fight day. Pacquiao responded that he would agree to undergo blood and urine testing up until 14 days before the fight (as requested by Mayweather in the first round of negotiations), stating that giving blood too close to the fight day would weaken him. On May 13, 2010, Pacquiao's promoter Bob Arum announced that he had penciled in November 13, 2010 as the date of Manny Pacquiao's next fight, possibly against Mayweather. However, the stumbling block over demands that Pacquiao submit to Olympic level random drug testing put the fight in jeopardy.[87]
On June 12, 2010, the President of Golden Boy Promotions, Oscar De La Hoya, stated during an interview with a Spanish network that the deal for the fight was very close and the negotiation process has been very difficult.[88] On June 30, 2010, Arum announced that the management of both sides had agreed to terms, that all points had been settled (including Pacquiao agreeing to submit to both blood and urine testing) and only the signature of Floyd Mayweather, Jr. was needed to seal the deal that could have earned both fighters at least $40 million each. Mayweather was then given a two-week deadline for the fight contract to be signed.[89] Arum also announced that Pacquiao accepted the terms of the random drug testing, blood and urine, leading up to the fight.[90]
On July 15, 2010, Bob Arum announced that Pacquiao's camp would give Mayweather until Friday midnight to sign the fight. The next day the Top Rank website embedded a countdown clock on their website with the heading "Money" Time: Mayweather's Decision.[91] On July 17, 2010, Arum announced that there was no word from Mayweather's camp and the deal for a November 13, 2010 fight with Mayweather Jr. was not reached.
On July 19, 2010, Leonard Ellerbe, one of Floyd Mayweather Jr.'s closest advisers, denied that negotiations for a super fight between Mayweather and Pacquiao had ever taken place. Ellerbe stated that Bob Arum was not telling the truth.[92] Bob Arum responded, questioning that if there was no negotiation, then who imposed the gag order (referring to a gag order about the negotiation allegedly imposed on both camps) and who could there be a gag order from if there were no negotiations. He also criticized Oscar De La Hoya and his Golden Boy Promotions CEO Richard Schaefer for denying that negotiations took place, when De La Hoya himself had previously stated that they were "very, very close in finalizing the contracts".[93] Arum revealed that HBO Sports President Ross Greenburg acted as the mediator between Mayweather’s handlers and those of Pacquiao’s from Top Rank Promotions.[94] On July 26, 2010, Ross Greenburg said in a statement that he has been negotiating with a representative from each side since May 2, 2010, carefully trying to put the fight together and he did in fact act as a go-between in negotiations with the two sides, but they were unable to come to an agreement.[95][96] Floyd Mayweather Jr., after the second negotiation had been officially declared off, told the Associated Press that he had fought sixty days ago and that he was not interested in rushing into anything and was not really thinking about boxing at the moment.
leighton
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Your always going to have different views about Pac v Money. The shit that Arum pulled at the time was childish and stupid putting the clock up and leaking stuff to the media. Then when Moneys team comes out and say there was nothing going on he. Then Arum brings up the gag order but it was Arum himself who was leaking shit all over the place.
Dont forget Money also had the prospect of going into a major fight with a big court case on top of that. I think that is the main reason why Money pulled out at the last time. That fight could of happend but Moneys head is elsewhere with the court case he has. So until we find out what happens in the Money court case we may never see him fight again. IF he gets sent down he will retire from the sport and in my view he will go down with the greats of the sport.
The thing that people are missing is PAC IS STILL REFUSING TO DO THE TEST he is making Mosley do it so he should do the exact same test. A bit of blood wont hurt anyone to say it weakens you but it wouldnt weaken him that much to pull out of the fights. Pacs tainted his record for me until he takes the test he will never get the respect from them all. Dont forget instead of fighting Marquez which most fight fans would of loved to see he decided to go in against Mosley who hasnt won since Jan 09. Marquez should of been the fight for Pac.
Dont forget Money also had the prospect of going into a major fight with a big court case on top of that. I think that is the main reason why Money pulled out at the last time. That fight could of happend but Moneys head is elsewhere with the court case he has. So until we find out what happens in the Money court case we may never see him fight again. IF he gets sent down he will retire from the sport and in my view he will go down with the greats of the sport.
The thing that people are missing is PAC IS STILL REFUSING TO DO THE TEST he is making Mosley do it so he should do the exact same test. A bit of blood wont hurt anyone to say it weakens you but it wouldnt weaken him that much to pull out of the fights. Pacs tainted his record for me until he takes the test he will never get the respect from them all. Dont forget instead of fighting Marquez which most fight fans would of loved to see he decided to go in against Mosley who hasnt won since Jan 09. Marquez should of been the fight for Pac.
conormcfc
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Pretty silly to take anything Roger says as gospel really. Wouldn't be surprised if he's made that up.
Dirty Harry
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conormcfc said:[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gNFi3ZcM_S4[/youtube]
The Hitman vs Floyd and Pac? I think he takes both out early on.
Agreed Conor, Hearns was a decent chin away from being a top 5 ever for me, shame to see him ease off in his `Motown Cobra` period but credit that he seemed to get his act together and come back, that KO is probably my favourite of all time.
leighton
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Tomorrow will make or break the Khan v McCloskey fight. McCloskey's father in law is his manager and he will be heading over to Matchroom for a meeting with Barry Hearn about trying to get more for McCloskey. The fight will either be made tomorrow or wont be is what I am hearing at the moment. They aint happy with a number of things the money is shit Khans Dad keeps saying they are out pricing them selfs out of the fight but they are not looking for huge money. Its just Khans team aint giving much of the money thats there out and are trying to keep all of it for themselfs is what I have been told.
Also within the contract if McCloskey wins the fight within the deal at the moment he will have to sign to Golden Boy Promotions straight away and have a rematch with Khan within X amount of time. They dont mind a rematch but they would want to do a deal for themselfs and not be involved with Golden Boy Promotions for some reason they think they will be screwed over by them. So either Khan will offer more money and take away the GBP sign up and the fight will be set in stone.
Also within the contract if McCloskey wins the fight within the deal at the moment he will have to sign to Golden Boy Promotions straight away and have a rematch with Khan within X amount of time. They dont mind a rematch but they would want to do a deal for themselfs and not be involved with Golden Boy Promotions for some reason they think they will be screwed over by them. So either Khan will offer more money and take away the GBP sign up and the fight will be set in stone.
In every fight that Floyd has been hurt in hes come back and dominated the fight. People really overate the fighters of the 80's and underate the fighters of today. Floyd and Manny are 2 of the greatest fighters of all time.conormcfc said:I disagree. Floyd has shown that he's vulnerable in the early rounds a few times now. It's once he gets out of those opening 3 rounds that he starts to figure out his opponents' style and get to work on those counter punches. If Hearns got Floyd into the situation that Mosley did in round 2 of their fight, you have to favour Hearns to get the stoppage imo. He was a devastating finisher. If it got past those opening rounds then I'd probably favour Floyd, be interesting to see how Floyd copes with the Hitman's long jab though.el_genio said:Nobody takes Floyd out early with his chin, toughness and defensive skill.
A journalist who claims to be a freind of Freddie Roach, said that Roach told him in the Phillipines that Roach wants Shane Mosley to take random drugs tests.conormcfc said:Pretty silly to take anything Roger says as gospel really. Wouldn't be surprised if he's made that up.
conormcfc
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That might me the case, but as I've said if Hearns got Floyd into the situation Mosley did I don't think he would've let it go much further, being the devastating finisher he was. He would've picked his shots and ended it there and then imo. Mosley made the mistake of rushing in and giving Floyd the opportunity to hold on.el_genio said:In every fight that Floyd has been hurt in hes come back and dominated the fight. People really overate the fighters of the 80's and underate the fighters of today. Floyd and Manny are 2 of the greatest fighters of all time.conormcfc said:I disagree. Floyd has shown that he's vulnerable in the early rounds a few times now. It's once he gets out of those opening 3 rounds that he starts to figure out his opponents' style and get to work on those counter punches. If Hearns got Floyd into the situation that Mosley did in round 2 of their fight, you have to favour Hearns to get the stoppage imo. He was a devastating finisher. If it got past those opening rounds then I'd probably favour Floyd, be interesting to see how Floyd copes with the Hitman's long jab though.
In other news, Khan/McCloskey is off:
http://www.boxingscene.com/?m=show&id=34877
Who next for Khan then? I'd like to see Victor Ortiz, not interested in seeing him fight Prescott again.
conormcfc
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Bradley/Alexander HBO face-off:
http://multimedia.foxsports.com/m/video/36328044/alexander-vs-bradley-face-off.htm
http://multimedia.foxsports.com/m/video/36328044/alexander-vs-bradley-face-off.htm
Esteban de la Sexface
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John Duddy retired, just after the Andy Lee V Duddy fight was fixed. I bet Lee is gutted. He really needed this fight.
Should be a great fight. I have never seen this longer version thanks for this. Alexander's smug grin cracks me up everytime, hes like a kid on christmas day at these face offs.conormcfc said:Bradley/Alexander HBO face-off:
http://multimedia.foxsports.com/m/video/36328044/alexander-vs-bradley-face-off.htm
leighton
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Duddy retiring took me by surprise but if your hearts not in it no point in fighting on he was in some wars its a shame he never had a good defence but his chin was rock solid. Are you going to the Casey World title fight on Paddys weekend?Esteban de la Sexface said:John Duddy retired, just after the Andy Lee V Duddy fight was fixed. I bet Lee is gutted. He really needed this fight.
In other news, Khan/McCloskey is off:
http://www.boxingscene.com/?m=show&id=34877
Who next for Khan then? I'd like to see Victor Ortiz, not interested in seeing him fight Prescott again.[/quote]
Khans team aint coming up with the money at the moment but as I beleive McCloskeys team is over with Barry Hearn to see if a argeement can still be made. Khan so far is not willing to offer more than the peanuts they have already offered Paulie for the fight. To be honest for Paulie he can defend the European title then go for the title that will be dropped by Bradley and he will fight the winner of Olusegun v Cheabah for that title. If he wins the title this year Khan's team if they were to fight Paulie would then have to offer way more than what they have offered so far.
ono
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leighton said:Duddy retiring took me by surprise but if your hearts not in it no point in fighting on he was in some wars its a shame he never had a good defence but his chin was rock solid. Are you going to the Casey World title fight on Paddys weekend?Esteban de la Sexface said:John Duddy retired, just after the Andy Lee V Duddy fight was fixed. I bet Lee is gutted. He really needed this fight.
In other news, Khan/McCloskey is off:
http://www.boxingscene.com/?m=show&id=34877
Who next for Khan then? I'd like to see Victor Ortiz, not interested in seeing him fight Prescott again.
Khans team aint coming up with the money at the moment but as I beleive McCloskeys team is over with Barry Hearn to see if a argeement can still be made. Khan so far is not willing to offer more than the peanuts they have already offered Paulie for the fight. To be honest for Paulie he can defend the European title then go for the title that will be dropped by Bradley and he will fight the winner of Olusegun v Cheabah for that title. If he wins the title this year Khan's team if they were to fight Paulie would then have to offer way more than what they have offered so far.[/quote]
To be fair, i can't imagine McCloskey getting anywhere near what Khan has offered elsewhere. He should take it imo.
leighton
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Cocky shit but what a top class fighter Naz was. Just looking at a you tube video and how boxing could do with a Naz now. A fighter you love to hate but he always shut you up by what he did in the ring. It was a shame near the end his heart wasnt in it but for all the memories Naz was 1 of the best to lace them up from the UK and Ireland he was 1 top class puncher and very tricky to tag as well the full package.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iA0jLvUxGjI[/youtube]
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iA0jLvUxGjI[/youtube]
BoyBlue_1985
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leighton said:Cocky shit but what a top class fighter Naz was. Just looking at a you tube video and how boxing could do with a Naz now. A fighter you love to hate but he always shut you up by what he did in the ring. It was a shame near the end his heart wasnt in it but for all the memories Naz was 1 of the best to lace them up from the UK and Ireland he was 1 top class puncher and very tricky to tag as well the full package.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iA0jLvUxGjI[/youtube]
You cannot half train and step into the ring with a pretty much any mexican but when its Barrera you just asking for a beating. Thats as you say his heart not being in it at the end but still when your life not just your career is on the line you shouldn't be going in like that
leighton
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[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0EBzBsrstk[/youtube]
The main reason I started to watch boxing when I was a young fella. Some of the fights with Eubank first 1 was a tight fight and could of gone either way BUT after that he dominated the other fights. The heart of a lion a granite chin and young future best trainer in the world in your corner in Freddie Roach you can never go wrong.
The main reason I started to watch boxing when I was a young fella. Some of the fights with Eubank first 1 was a tight fight and could of gone either way BUT after that he dominated the other fights. The heart of a lion a granite chin and young future best trainer in the world in your corner in Freddie Roach you can never go wrong.