The Derby Post Match Thread

Lovely to see the away end with a good number of overseas fans with half and half scarfs enjoying their 1st ever utd match, absolutety laughable
 
Will the FA be warning them about their fans singing Kicking a blue? Cunts.
Maybe UEFA would like to leap on board when they give it a rendition in the Champions league. Cunts.
Shan't hold my breath though. Bunch of cunts.
 
calum down said:
they were at home,
they had a chance to go top,
we had no silva and no aguero.

i totally agree with everyone who says united are piss poor,
the most expensive team ever, or whatever the stat is, it doesn't matter,
they decided to kill the game from the off,
not one shot on target at home in the first half.

there's only one reason why this was the worst derby ever and that's their "philosophy"...
bore the oppostion to death and try to nick one while we are asleep.

fuck 'em!
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That's very true.

It was easy to defend against them because they are so pedestrian. A lot of their home games have been very boring but they've ultimately won
 
Kazzydeyna said:
I'm loving the revisionism on here today, in various threads.

For months and months, until today Infact, Manuel has been lambasted for "only having one style of play", and "being too gung Ho in his approach" , "unable to close a game out" , "a half decent team would have destroyed us today" , "he players saved him" (I love that one...it's their job! ) etc etc.

We go today to the second best team in the league, at their home ground, missing the two best players in the country, with the leagues best defender just coming back from a month out and grind out a truly impressive draw and guess what ...?

"We should have gone for them today" , "they were there for the taking" , he was "too scared of them".

It used to piss me off when people tried to score points like this with the last manager, now we have people doing it to our latest manager.

City and United are the two best teams in the country and will finish 1st and 2nd this season. In that order. Largely because of days like today. Amd for That we have the manager to thank. Again.

Well played Manuel.
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"too gung ho" etc. is usually trotted out after a champions league game (myself included), well how we played in this match was maybe a blueprint for how we should play in the champions league, particularly away from home?
 
troadie said:
"too gung ho" etc. is usually trotted out after a champions league game (myself included), well how we played in this match was maybe a blueprint for how we should play in the champions league, particularly away from home?
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If we add Aguero, and Silva we can be defensively strong and be a threat on the counter. The better teams we have played in the Champions League at home have all offered an attacking threat and that was missing for much of our game yesterday - obviously in part due to missing players, and also because Utd are set up defensively too.
 
That's how you win the league, sometimes you've got to go and grind one out, I'd be happy with similar performances at klanfield, Chelski and at Arsenal, we always go to these grounds with the attitude that were better than them and it rarely comes off, off course I'd like us to win every game with style but that doesn't always fit the bill.
A very below par weakened city went top of the league yesterday, a defeat would of left a very sour taste to this coming week, mp was critised heavily in the post match shite thread for selecting otamendi, he was justified and some.
Well done blues, we'll show em what's what at our gaff.
 
Personally I'm more than happy with a point and with the way Pellegrini set us up to ensure we got it. Losing would have given Man U, and their fans, a real boost in confidence and whilst winning would have been nice, not losing was more important.
 
Marvin said:
If we add Aguero, and Silva we can be defensively strong and be a threat on the counter. The better teams we have played in the Champions League at home have all offered an attacking threat and that was missing for much of our game yesterday - obviously in part due to missing players, and also because Utd are set up defensively too.
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The issue I have with 'The missing players' is that all teams suffer a similar fate during a season which is why we have squads. Yes we are stronger with Aguero and Silva, but as I keep saying surely we should be able to adequately replace them whilst keeping a similar formation with the squad we have.

As someone pointed out yesterday, 12 months ago Aguero and Silva both played away against ManUre and we were beaten 4-2. If anything yesterday highlighted not only the need for good players, but the tactical nous to get the most out of them and equally to get the most out of the more challenging games.

Defending is as much of an art as attacking and all the great teams in history excelled at both.
 
Dribble said:
Yaya needs legs around him and little in the way of defensive responsibility. He should only be played in a midfield 3 alongside players who have the box to box energy he lacks. He's obviously not getting any younger and needs protecting and his role needs to be redefined just like Juve did with Pirlo..

He's still a special talent but I've felt for a long time that we're not playing to his strengths in many matches because of where he's told to play and the job he's asked to do in a formation that doesn't suit him and which exposes he weaknesses. No wonder he gets frustrated at the criticism he gets, play to his strengths and I reckon we'll get another 2 top class seasons out of him.

Today The Tactical Turtle ensured that neither KDB, Sterling nor Yaya had any space or time to become effective. We needed to up the tempo and get our quick passing possession game going which was made all the more difficult with the absences of Nasri and Silva. This is how we've combated high pressure tactics before but the lack of those creative possession based players today meant we neither had the energy nor our normal level of controlled possession to combat ManUre's high pressing rugby tactics.

Hence, I've rarely seen us play so many long balls thus continuously conceding possession in a match before. All said and done because we lacked our normal level of creativity and endeavour we replaced it with an effective defensive game plan which brought us home a precious point which could be invaluable come the end of the season.
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The problem is that Yaya is never in a midfield 3. He is either in a 2 or in the number 10 role. Everyone knows that we are defensively weaker with him in a midfield 2 but he is wasted as a number 10. He is not quick enough to play there.

Yaya strengths has alway been his passing and driving runs. When playing advanced he has no time to make the passes and hasn't got the energy to move around the pitch and lose his marker like Nasri and Silva can.

The ideal scenario would be to use him in that Pirlo role like the Ivory Coast do. However that would mean him playing deeper than both Fernano and Fernandinho. I just don't see that working with Fernando.

I can honestly see Yaya getting slowly phased out from the team this season.
 
i8rags said:
That's how you win the league, sometimes you've got to go and grind one out, I'd be happy with similar performances at klanfield, Chelski and at Arsenal, we always go to these grounds with the attitude that were better than them and it rarely comes off, off course I'd like us to win every game with style but that doesn't always fit the bill.
A very below par weakened city went top of the league yesterday, a defeat would of left a very sour taste to this coming week, mp was critised heavily in the post match shite thread for selecting otamendi, he was justified and some.
Well done blues, we'll show em what's what at our gaff.
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Dribble said:
The issue I have with 'The missing players' is that all teams suffer a similar fate during a season which is why we have squads. Yes we are stronger with Aguero and Silva, but as I keep saying surely we should be able to adequately replace them whilst keeping a similar formation with the squad we have.

As someone pointed out yesterday, 12 months ago Aguero and Silva both played away against ManUre and we were beaten 4-2. If anything yesterday highlighted not only the need for good players, but the tactical nous to get the most out of them and equally to get the most out of the more challenging games.

Defending is as much of an art as attacking and all the great teams in history excelled at both.
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We were also without Nasri who has for years deputised for Silva very well when Silva has been out (though rarely have they played as well together - I think because Silva gets the majority of the ball).

We've beaten Utd comfortably away with Aguero and Silva as well but Utd have changed as well. They are much more defensive minded now than they were under Moyes or Fergsuson.
 
lots of teeth gnashing going over our performance yesterday, if that had been chelsea it would have been hailed a mourniho masterclass

we had a plan to not lose and it worked to a tee, of course we would have liked a more attacking aspect to our game but i feel pellegrini had looked at turtles modus operandi and last seasons result and adjusted the way we would counteract it to suit

there are more than one way to skin a cat
 
tonea2003 said:
lots of teeth gnashing going over our performance yesterday, if that had been chelsea it would have been hailed a mourniho masterclass

we had a plan to not lose and it worked to a tee, of course we would have liked a more attacking aspect to our game but i feel pellegrini had looked at turtles modus operandi and last seasons result and adjusted the way we would counteract it to suit

there are more than one way to skin a cat
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i agree. we have to accept this performance is part of what top teams do every so often and also we need to admit that we parked the bus a bit in the 2nd half!

we were still shit going forward though :)
 
tonea2003 said:
lots of teeth gnashing going over our performance yesterday, if that had been chelsea it would have been hailed a mourniho masterclass

we had a plan to not lose and it worked to a tee, of course we would have liked a more attacking aspect to our game but i feel pellegrini had looked at turtles modus operandi and last seasons result and adjusted the way we would counteract it to suit

there is more than one way to peel a turtle
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tonea2003 said:
lots of teeth gnashing going over our performance yesterday, if that had been chelsea it would have been hailed a mourniho masterclass

we had a plan to not lose and it worked to a tee, of course we would have liked a more attacking aspect to our game but i feel pellegrini had looked at turtles modus operandi and last seasons result and adjusted the way we would counteract it to suit

there are more than one way to skin a cat
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Exactly! Chelsea did the same at the swamp last season, yet the praise hailed his tactics as the sign of a title winning manager/side!
 
Poor and boring derbygame. But that's from the perspective of a neutral. I was feeling tense and on my toes for the whole 90 minutes. Disappointed that we couldn't offer more than we showed, happy we hardly let them have a sniff other than the two shots that actually were on target in the last couple of minutes. In the baconface-area they probably would have scored. The fact that we couldn't create a lot ourselves is born from the fact that we have been so spoiled over the recent years you tend to expect it every game. Not often we don't score, even without Aguero and Silva, but it happens. Defensively we were good, solid, concentrated. The low point to me was that we hardly got into our own style of play and were very sloppy with numerous counter-attacking opportunities. In the end, especially the way the game went, I was satisfied with a draw.

Hart was ok with what little he had to do. Great save in the end. Sagna again proved very reliable. Kolarov unfortunately couldn't show his strenght in going foreward. Kompany and Otamendi stood out in defence. Very concentrated performance, and going for the easy solution. That one rash tackle from Kompany in the 1st half was probably for him to get rid of the frustration over the last week I guess. But after that he never was close to another booking, same as Fernandinho. Well done both.
Fernando did his job in a no-nonsence way. Fernandinho was close to excellent again. He's having a really good season so far. Yaya played too much foreward. I like to see Yaya steaming foreward and he took that away from himself. Hardly defended his area and imo was rightly substituted, despite not looking too happy. KDB had his poorest game so far, too isolated from the right. He needs to play in the middle or coming from the left. He felt better after Navas took his place on the right, but couldn't significally upp his play. Sterling again showed he is not ready for big games and that disappointed me. It didn't surprise me and that's even a more worrying sign. He was hardly played in a situation that he could explore his strenght (pace) but he also hardly looked for that particular spot when we had the ball. He needs to learn and has age on his side.
Finally Bony, I thought he did ok in the first half, showed a lot of trickery in small areas and why he is such a strong body on the pitch. He hardly got himself in a position to poke or have a shot on target. In the 2nd half he was more and more isolated, got tired and again was rightly substituted.
Navas brought a bit more balance to the team, and when Pellegrini decided to put on Demichelis it was clear a draw was the max we could achieve on the day. So be it.

I think Clattenburg had a decent match. He showed a yellow card more easy to us than them, but that's not something new to us over the last few years. And both Kompany and Fernandinho had nothing to complain about. Clattenburg often draws attention to himself by making an extraordinairy descision, not so today. I was more worried us giving away silly freekicks around the box too easily, again something we need to stop.

Finally Pellegrini. I'm sure he won't be happy with the way we played and the fact he needed to try and shut up shop. We can agree he did a professional job (the onces who say he showed a cowardly approach are probably the same onces that say he needed to play more defensively after we got beat by strong opposition in the CL) and the way the game developed he was right to do so. But he would not have liked it. Subs were fine other than I would have started with Navas and not Sterling, and would have played Yaya closer to the two Ferns.
 
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Simply put that shower of shit couldn't play much better (which begs the question how are they so high in the table) whereas we didn't get out of first gear. They hit us with pretty much everything they had and their only shot on target was in the last few minutes. If the deluded turtle thinks they had total control of the game then the Priory better reserve a bed. If that was against Juve and draw would see us top the group everyone would have said what a professional job we did.
 
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