The home support is terrible

[emiratblu]

Don't blame the fans, they have an expectation to be entertained by some of the highest paid players in the world in the most ambitious sporting project in the world owned by the most wealthy owner in the world.

If you go to see a concert or attend a show with the worlds best you don't expect the performer to perform badly because the audience were poor or quiet. The established performers have a routine, they are pros, its their job and they perform.

The blame for what is happening is 100% on the players and management who talk the talk but don't walk the walk, what we are seeing is the comfort zone effect where the players are rich beyond their dreams and even if they don't perform they are paid a Kings ransom.

This gives every fan who attends the games the right to moan and groan when the players don't deliver.

Just as an example if it is true that its been 250 corners since we scored from one that alone is enough for the players and management to be castigated and for the fans to moan at will. If any of us screwed up in our jobs 250 times on the trot making the same mistake for 250 times would we still be in a job, I don't think so, and we're expected to be happy clappy and cheer along?

Its not right guys, its major surgery time, and we need the young blood coming through who still have desire and are less focused on money and product endorsement.

We have to face facts, we are not the same as we were pre Sheikh Mansour, our players are now so over privileged but they are not that arsed anymore. Don't blame the fans blame the product

 

[whp.blue]

The vast majority of our match going fans of today have got the atmosphere they wanted and deserve

People have been crying out for this more sanitized match day experience that procluded the old fashioned working class fan who drank, swore and stood up too much ( the exact type of fan who created all the atmosphere in our Stadia BTW) that sort of fan has been disappearing at quite an alarming rate due to the price increases, 3 match bans for offences and our antiquated loyalty point scheme which clearly blocks new blood fans from attending games

As our "most loyal fans" age and become more demur the atmosphere becomes more like that of a theatre than a football stadium

 

[fatbloke]

Just to clarify my point in regards to players having affinity with the fans...

It boils down to players showing they are willing to work hard and fight for the team on and off the pitch, that's when fans get behind them and sing their names. It doesn't matter how good they are, what technical attributes they have or what nationality they are as long as they give us 100% we as fans will give them our backing. A lot comes down to attitude as well, look at Kolarov recently giving the fans verbal, how can anyone support a player doing that?

Look at Robinho, loved by everyone when he first arrived, turned out to be a pansy and the fans turned. That's nothing to do with the fans, it's the players attitude and work rate. Then look at Zabaleta, no one really rated him as a player when he first arrived, he was caught out of position, he didn't look half the player Richards was back then but he showed that he cared (it doesn't matter if it's for the club or not, it boils down to personal pride), the fans got behind him and look at him now.

So for anyone to try and blame the fans, it's bollocks. Players need to show us they care, show us they want to win, show us they won't give up and the fans will give them the atmosphere back.

 

[sir baconface]

Did anyone else see it before the game, when the cameras were doing the rounds in the crowd and that lads face was on the big screen, he took a picture of himself on the big screen with his fuckin IPad

That's what it has come to

Too fookin true. iPad is so yesterday.

 

[Citizen of Legoland]

The vast majority of our match going fans of today have got the atmosphere they wanted and deserve

People have been crying out for this more sanitized match day experience that procluded the old fashioned working class fan who drank, swore and stood up too much ( the exact type of fan who created all the atmosphere in our Stadia BTW) that sort of fan has been disappearing at quite an alarming rate due to the price increases, 3 match bans for offences and our antiquated loyalty point scheme which clearly blocks new blood fans from attending games

As our "most loyal fans" age and become more demur the atmosphere becomes more like that of a theatre than a football stadium

[cough]bollocks[/cough]

 

[Citizen of Legoland]

Did anyone else see it before the game, when the cameras were doing the rounds in the crowd and that lads face was on the big screen, he took a picture of himself on the big screen with his fuckin IPad

That's what it has come to

Too fookin true. iPad is so yesterday.

It's more a sign of the times. I was watching a documentary on Kraftwerk recently, and they pointed out at the end that their idea of machines ruling the world is sort of coming true when you see at their most recent concerts the audience is sat looking at their devices recording the concert rather than just watching it directly.

Personally I prefer to use one of these ...

 

[whp.blue]

The vast majority of our match going fans of today have got the atmosphere they wanted and deserve

People have been crying out for this more sanitized match day experience that procluded the old fashioned working class fan who drank, swore and stood up too much ( the exact type of fan who created all the atmosphere in our Stadia BTW) that sort of fan has been disappearing at quite an alarming rate due to the price increases, 3 match bans for offences and our antiquated loyalty point scheme which clearly blocks new blood fans from attending games

As our "most loyal fans" age and become more demur the atmosphere becomes more like that of a theatre than a football stadium

[cough]bollocks[/cough]

not really though is it I know we have people going on about a new singing section etc but there are loads of fans who come on here moaning about all sorts of so called loutish behaviour and griping on about their kids and wives and what these type of fans subject them too

The days of loud and atmospheric football stadia is a thing of the past and the gentrification of football is almost complete.

 

[flb]

Don't blame the fans, they have an expectation to be entertained by some of the highest paid players in the world in the most ambitious sporting project in the world owned by the most wealthy owner in the world.

If you go to see a concert or attend a show with the worlds best you don't expect the performer to perform badly because the audience were poor or quiet. The established performers have a routine, they are pros, its their job and they perform.

The blame for what is happening is 100% on the players and management who talk the talk but don't walk the walk, what we are seeing is the comfort zone effect where the players are rich beyond their dreams and even if they don't perform they are paid a Kings ransom.

This gives every fan who attends the games the right to moan and groan when the players don't deliver.

Just as an example if it is true that its been 250 corners since we scored from one that alone is enough for the players and management to be castigated and for the fans to moan at will. If any of us screwed up in our jobs 250 times on the trot making the same mistake for 250 times would we still be in a job, I don't think so, and we're expected to be happy clappy and cheer along?

Its not right guys, its major surgery time, and we need the young blood coming through who still have desire and are less focused on money and product endorsement.

We have to face facts, we are not the same as we were pre Sheikh Mansour, our players are now so over privileged but they are not that arsed anymore. Don't blame the fans blame the product

Couldn't agree more mate, if that true about the corners then that's fucking staggering.

 

[Citizen of Legoland]

The vast majority of our match going fans of today have got the atmosphere they wanted and deserve

People have been crying out for this more sanitized match day experience that procluded the old fashioned working class fan who drank, swore and stood up too much ( the exact type of fan who created all the atmosphere in our Stadia BTW) that sort of fan has been disappearing at quite an alarming rate due to the price increases, 3 match bans for offences and our antiquated loyalty point scheme which clearly blocks new blood fans from attending games

As our "most loyal fans" age and become more demur the atmosphere becomes more like that of a theatre than a football stadium

[cough]bollocks[/cough]

not really though is it I know we have people going on about a new singing section etc but there are loads of fans who come on here moaning about all sorts of so called loutish behaviour and griping on about their kids and wives and what these type of fans subject them too

The days of loud and atmospheric football stadia is a thing of the past and the gentrification of football is almost complete.

I suppose there'll always be some people who don't appreciate the odd bit of hooliganism and pocket-pissing. I agree we'll never return to the atmosphere of yesteryear but which one are you after, pre-60s where you went with all your friends regardless of who they supported and viewed the players as equals, or seventies/eighties where it became tribal and charged with vitriol towards the authorities against a backdrop of strikes and riots, bigotry and hate.

Times and societies change. It isn't a gentrification of football, but a gentrification of society. People didn't ask for this, it just happened as we try to become more tolerant and understanding. The task is not how to reproduce the atmosphere of old, but how to improve what we have now. I'm not sure I'd want my kids to be subjected to f words and c words and n words and p words for 90 minutes. Not because they might be terrified, but because they might start using them themselves. In any case they hear enough f words at home!

 

[shemnel]

the home team is terrible at the moment ..... there's your problem.

there are plenty of shit teams across the UK outside of the top 10 of the Prem who generate a good atmos