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fatbloke said:
It's a job I guess they play to instruction and give of their best like all us employees do
The home support is terrible
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It's a job I guess they play to instruction and give of their best like all us employees do
It was terrible.
But no home support at any PL club would have created a good atmosphere against Hull.
It's just one of those fixtures/games where you know the atmosphere will be flat and s***,
What made matters even worse was the teams performance.
But no home support at any PL club would have created a good atmosphere against Hull.
It's just one of those fixtures/games where you know the atmosphere will be flat and s***,
What made matters even worse was the teams performance.
I honestly believe that a proper singing section is the only way the atmosphere will ever improve. The bigger the better imo. This will encourage other sections to basically join in with the songs being sung. It's no good getting the odd pockets of fans trying to start a song as it soon dies a death. If asked most people would probably say they'd re locate to a designated singing section. It's the reassurance of knowing that everyone around you wants to sing. People are like sheep , let's not kid ourselves. At the moment you're surrounded by the 'unknown'. People don't want to make a show of themselves by starting a song. I hope that makes sense?
I think what I'm trying to say is let's no try to over complicate matters. Get back to basics and think about basic human instincts first. Think about away days. Why is the atmosphere so good? It's because you know you're surrounded by people who are the there for the same reasons as yourself. To have a laugh and belt out songs for the team. Which leads me back to humans being like sheep. You're not afraid to shout sing when you know the people around you want the same.
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Have you not saw the 1894 Groups plans then?CityWest said:
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Untill we get standing sections back the atmosphere at most grounds will be shit.
GeekinGav said:
What about last season when the home team was one of the best around and the atmosphere was still tepid at best, besides the usual big games?
It's an easy excuse to blame the team... many fan bases support much worse teams than ours and make plenty of noise.
Our fans used to take the piss out of Old Trafford but right now the Etihad is as quiet as Old Trafford or the Emirates has ever been. Just a few years ago it had a better atmosphere (remember the Poznan sweeping around the entire stadium?)... never a cauldron but there used to be a healthy atmosphere besides the Pearce era.
I've been critical of the club because they seem almost to have actively tried to worsen the atmosphere (excessive stewarding and warnings, banners ripped down, Americanisation of the 'match day experience', relentless price hikes) but have to credit them for granting 1894 the new block to try something with. It's the first step in the right direction and hopefully not the last.
Don't blame the fans, they have an expectation to be entertained by some of the highest paid players in the world in the most ambitious sporting project in the world owned by the most wealthy owner in the world.
If you go to see a concert or attend a show with the worlds best you don't expect the performer to perform badly because the audience were poor or quiet. The established performers have a routine, they are pros, its their job and they perform.
The blame for what is happening is 100% on the players and management who talk the talk but don't walk the walk, what we are seeing is the comfort zone effect where the players are rich beyond their dreams and even if they don't perform they are paid a Kings ransom.
This gives every fan who attends the games the right to moan and groan when the players don't deliver.
Just as an example if it is true that its been 250 corners since we scored from one that alone is enough for the players and management to be castigated and for the fans to moan at will. If any of us screwed up in our jobs 250 times on the trot making the same mistake for 250 times would we still be in a job, I don't think so, and we're expected to be happy clappy and cheer along?
Its not right guys, its major surgery time, and we need the young blood coming through who still have desire and are less focused on money and product endorsement.
We have to face facts, we are not the same as we were pre Sheikh Mansour, our players are now so over privileged but they are not that arsed anymore. Don't blame the fans blame the product
If you go to see a concert or attend a show with the worlds best you don't expect the performer to perform badly because the audience were poor or quiet. The established performers have a routine, they are pros, its their job and they perform.
The blame for what is happening is 100% on the players and management who talk the talk but don't walk the walk, what we are seeing is the comfort zone effect where the players are rich beyond their dreams and even if they don't perform they are paid a Kings ransom.
This gives every fan who attends the games the right to moan and groan when the players don't deliver.
Just as an example if it is true that its been 250 corners since we scored from one that alone is enough for the players and management to be castigated and for the fans to moan at will. If any of us screwed up in our jobs 250 times on the trot making the same mistake for 250 times would we still be in a job, I don't think so, and we're expected to be happy clappy and cheer along?
Its not right guys, its major surgery time, and we need the young blood coming through who still have desire and are less focused on money and product endorsement.
We have to face facts, we are not the same as we were pre Sheikh Mansour, our players are now so over privileged but they are not that arsed anymore. Don't blame the fans blame the product
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The vast majority of our match going fans of today have got the atmosphere they wanted and deserve
People have been crying out for this more sanitized match day experience that procluded the old fashioned working class fan who drank, swore and stood up too much ( the exact type of fan who created all the atmosphere in our Stadia BTW) that sort of fan has been disappearing at quite an alarming rate due to the price increases, 3 match bans for offences and our antiquated loyalty point scheme which clearly blocks new blood fans from attending games
As our "most loyal fans" age and become more demur the atmosphere becomes more like that of a theatre than a football stadium
People have been crying out for this more sanitized match day experience that procluded the old fashioned working class fan who drank, swore and stood up too much ( the exact type of fan who created all the atmosphere in our Stadia BTW) that sort of fan has been disappearing at quite an alarming rate due to the price increases, 3 match bans for offences and our antiquated loyalty point scheme which clearly blocks new blood fans from attending games
As our "most loyal fans" age and become more demur the atmosphere becomes more like that of a theatre than a football stadium
Just to clarify my point in regards to players having affinity with the fans...
It boils down to players showing they are willing to work hard and fight for the team on and off the pitch, that's when fans get behind them and sing their names. It doesn't matter how good they are, what technical attributes they have or what nationality they are as long as they give us 100% we as fans will give them our backing. A lot comes down to attitude as well, look at Kolarov recently giving the fans verbal, how can anyone support a player doing that?
Look at Robinho, loved by everyone when he first arrived, turned out to be a pansy and the fans turned. That's nothing to do with the fans, it's the players attitude and work rate. Then look at Zabaleta, no one really rated him as a player when he first arrived, he was caught out of position, he didn't look half the player Richards was back then but he showed that he cared (it doesn't matter if it's for the club or not, it boils down to personal pride), the fans got behind him and look at him now.
So for anyone to try and blame the fans, it's bollocks. Players need to show us they care, show us they want to win, show us they won't give up and the fans will give them the atmosphere back.
It boils down to players showing they are willing to work hard and fight for the team on and off the pitch, that's when fans get behind them and sing their names. It doesn't matter how good they are, what technical attributes they have or what nationality they are as long as they give us 100% we as fans will give them our backing. A lot comes down to attitude as well, look at Kolarov recently giving the fans verbal, how can anyone support a player doing that?
Look at Robinho, loved by everyone when he first arrived, turned out to be a pansy and the fans turned. That's nothing to do with the fans, it's the players attitude and work rate. Then look at Zabaleta, no one really rated him as a player when he first arrived, he was caught out of position, he didn't look half the player Richards was back then but he showed that he cared (it doesn't matter if it's for the club or not, it boils down to personal pride), the fans got behind him and look at him now.
So for anyone to try and blame the fans, it's bollocks. Players need to show us they care, show us they want to win, show us they won't give up and the fans will give them the atmosphere back.
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chris85mcfc said:
Too fookin true. iPad is so yesterday.
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whp.blue said:
[cough]bollocks[/cough]
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sir baconface said:
It's more a sign of the times. I was watching a documentary on Kraftwerk recently, and they pointed out at the end that their idea of machines ruling the world is sort of coming true when you see at their most recent concerts the audience is sat looking at their devices recording the concert rather than just watching it directly.
Personally I prefer to use one of these ...
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willy eckerslike said:
not really though is it I know we have people going on about a new singing section etc but there are loads of fans who come on here moaning about all sorts of so called loutish behaviour and griping on about their kids and wives and what these type of fans subject them too
The days of loud and atmospheric football stadia is a thing of the past and the gentrification of football is almost complete.
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44years said:
Couldn't agree more mate, if that true about the corners then that's fucking staggering.
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whp.blue said:
I suppose there'll always be some people who don't appreciate the odd bit of hooliganism and pocket-pissing. I agree we'll never return to the atmosphere of yesteryear but which one are you after, pre-60s where you went with all your friends regardless of who they supported and viewed the players as equals, or seventies/eighties where it became tribal and charged with vitriol towards the authorities against a backdrop of strikes and riots, bigotry and hate.
Times and societies change. It isn't a gentrification of football, but a gentrification of society. People didn't ask for this, it just happened as we try to become more tolerant and understanding. The task is not how to reproduce the atmosphere of old, but how to improve what we have now. I'm not sure I'd want my kids to be subjected to f words and c words and n words and p words for 90 minutes. Not because they might be terrified, but because they might start using them themselves. In any case they hear enough f words at home!