The Labour Government

Chippy_boy said:
There were at least 150,000 people who turned up though mate and it's the characterization of all of them as thugs, which only amplifies their indignation. If we want a harmonious society, it's entirely the wrong approach.

And the small boats problem is easily remedied by any government with the will to do so.
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Well, the political suicide being committed by not stopping the boats would suggest it is more difficult than we envisage.
 
Don Karleone said:
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It's definitely when he goes, not if then.
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Good chance he’s gone by the end of the week.
 
Chippy_boy said:
There were at least 150,000 people who turned up though mate and it's the characterization of all of them as thugs, which only amplifies their indignation. If we want a harmonious society, it's entirely the wrong approach.

And the small boats problem is easily remedied by any government with the will to do so.
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Not only is Chippy a liar(a different topic) but a fantasist too.
 
Jimmieblue said:
No, did I say that? What I am saying is that these people have opened up a debate among the British people which had been a long time coming.
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Yeah, because that debate has never been had before has it? Yaxley-Lennon has been peddling his rhetoric for well over a decade, Hopkins for nearly as long, Fox for several years, and Farage for longer than all of them put together. None of them have ever been prevented from speaking, despite the free speech protagonists claiming otherwise.

And whatever the debate is that needs to be had, the entire cast of the **** Avengers aren’t the ones who should be speaking for the people.
 
Chippy_boy said:
There were at least 150,000 people who turned up though mate and it's the characterization of all of them as thugs, which only amplifies their indignation. If we want a harmonious society, it's entirely the wrong approach.

And the small boats problem is easily remedied by any government with the will to do so.
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It’s true not all are thugs but you can’t get round the fact they all attended a rally organised by a thug, with contributions from an assortment of racists, conspiracy nuts and fascists.
 
mosssideblue said:
Well, the political suicide being committed by not stopping the boats would suggest it is more difficult than we envisage.
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It really isn't. We'd have to leave the ECHR, relinquish our agreement to abide by the Refugee Convention and repeal the relevant UK laws.

All of that is straightforward if any government with a decent majority has the balls to do it.

Then, start returning every single person who arrives by small boat.

The problem is gone almost overnight. Within days, the boats stop arriving. No longer is there any incentive for any would-be asylum seeker to pay thousands to get to the UK by small boat. It's really that simple. But so far, no government has been prepared to take the necessary steps, because although simple to do, it would cause significant domestic and international condemnation.
 
Chippy_boy said:
It really isn't. We'd have to leave the ECHR, relinquish our agreement to abide by the Refugee Convention and repeal the relevant UK laws.

All of that is straightforward if any government with a decent majority has the balls to do it.

Then, start returning every single person who arrives by small boat.

The problem is gone almost overnight. Within days, the boats stop arriving. No longer is there any incentive for any would-be asylum seeker to pay thousands to get to the UK by small boat. It's really that simple. But so far, no government has been prepared to take the necessary steps, because although simple to do, it would cause significant domestic and international condemnation.
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That’s your anticipated outcome. I personally think the boats would still come.

There have been many refugees waiting for their ticket saying nothing would deter them
 
Chippy_boy said:
It really isn't. We'd have to leave the ECHR, relinquish our agreement to abide by the Refugee Convention and repeal the relevant UK laws.

All of that is straightforward if any government with a decent majority has the balls to do it.

Then, start returning every single person who arrives by small boat.

The problem is gone almost overnight. Within days, the boats stop arriving. No longer is there any incentive for any would-be asylum seeker to pay thousands to get to the UK by small boat. It's really that simple. But so far, no government has been prepared to take the necessary steps, because although simple to do, it would cause significant domestic and international condemnation.
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If it’s that simple, why hasn’t anybody been able to do it?

Where are we returning people seeking asylum to, France, or their country of origin?

Those people I worked closely with in the Middle East, who would no doubt be killed immediately if returned to their own country, are you willing to accept their death?

Is the answer Reform, who said, like you, that they’d sort this within 2-weeks, before backtracking as they knew it was a load of bollox?
 
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Kicked it off with some cringe and gone downhill ever since.




Phase 3 looking unlikely .... never mind phase 5 ;-)

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mosssideblue said:
That’s your anticipated outcome. I personally think the boats would still come.

There have been many refugees waiting for their ticket saying nothing would deter them
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Well it worked in Australia and I think it would work here too.

I suspect we'll find out if I'm right or you are, in about 4 years time because I think Farage will be the next PM and will instigate these measures.
 
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