The Labour Government

BlueHammer85 said:
they’ve done so much already and made a positive start , changed workers rights bill, increasing min wage, stopped strikes in NHS and transport, quickly ended the Farage riots, hitting wealthy corporations for more tax - they’re doing a lot of good , yet as always it’s made out they’re the worst government in history and only the negative is massively highlighted. No Goverment can please.
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Because our media is owned by right wingers and socia media is poulated by agitators and liars.

Still starmer and reeves are terrible at media and really need to get better PR advisors
 
Blue and true said:
Real journalism died with the advent of social media, or at least, real journalism getting the recognition it needed died with the advent of social media.
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Social media but almost as bad is client journalism and the cabal of right wing billionaires who own or finance the likes of fox news, gbnews and papers like the express and mail.

There was a tine where it was considered an honorable profession and editors would pride themselves on the ethical standards they would uphold. Goebbels would wince of some of the coverage in the above.
BlueHammer85 said:
they’ve done so much already and made a positive start , changed workers rights bill, increasing min wage, stopped strikes in NHS and transport, quickly ended the Farage riots, hitting wealthy corporations for more tax - they’re doing a lot of good , yet as always it’s made out they’re the worst government in history and only the negative is massively highlighted. No Goverment can please.
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And just think where we would be now if the tories had one that election promising more tax cuts?
 
Don Karleone said:



"Blight"
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I have just read that Liz Kendall is saying that young people who refuse work will lose benefits. It's staggering that they don't already ?

Clearly a good move by the Government. We need to crack down hard on lazy people who prefer not to work and let others pay for their lazy lifestyle. Also to those that are supposedly ill and claiming disability benefit. Although I fully appreciate it and is a very hard job to screen those or are genuinely ill and those fraudulently pretending.
 
Churchlawtonblue said:
I have just read that Liz Kendall is saying that young people who refuse work will lose benefits. It's staggering that they don't already ?

Clearly a good move by the Government. We need to crack down hard on lazy people who prefer not to work and let others pay for their lazy lifestyle. Also to those that are supposedly ill and claiming disability benefit. Although I fully appreciate it and is a very hard job to screen those or are genuinely ill and those fraudulently pretending.
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They already do, sanctions have been around for years.
Think this is more to do with the Youth Guarantee that's being introduced, and focus on options re employment, training or whatever.
 
mackenzie said:
They already do, sanctions have been around for years.
Think this is more to do with the Youth Guarantee that's being introduced, and focus on options re employment, training or whatever.
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There's a big flaw in that plan isn't there?

Do you think local authorities are good at training people up or deciding what skills people need?
 
Mr Kobayashi said:
There's a big flaw in that plan isn't there?

Do you think local authorities are good at training people up or deciding what skills people need?
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There haven't been any firm details as yet, so I will reserve judgement until then.

I'm all for having proper conversations with youngsters re their path into work (helps to understand their barriers, some of which are hidden, and what motivates them). "Sustainable" employment is the key rather than a merry go round.
And trained careers advisors who can point out realistic choices.
There has to be balance, but also the stark reality of what continued unemployment means
 
Blue and true said:
They had just shy of 15 years to get their shit together. They've proven they can't even find their shit, nevermind get it together.

And Keith Stalin? Did you steal that sobriquet from a teenager on twitter?
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He's gutted the labour party of anyone who doesn't support him or his policies. Bullied MPs and activists alike. He knows the name and accepts it as a badge of honour.

Now he's attacking benefits claimants whilst ignoring energy and water firms taking our money for their benefit.

He suck corporate cock. Screw the workers and people the party was set up to represent.
 
Churchlawtonblue said:
I have just read that Liz Kendall is saying that young people who refuse work will lose benefits. It's staggering that they don't already ?

Clearly a good move by the Government. We need to crack down hard on lazy people who prefer not to work and let others pay for their lazy lifestyle. Also to those that are supposedly ill and claiming disability benefit. Although I fully appreciate it and is a very hard job to screen those or are genuinely ill and those fraudulently pretending.
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Said by someone who has fuck all idea how difficult it is to get pips and keep it
 
blueinsa said:
About to lose all benefits if they refuse training and work as well.

How very Tory!

Policy that will go down a storm with their supporters in here no doubt.
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Do you think that it will actually happen?

When there's not enough prison places to put people in, do you think increasing the likelihood of young people committing crime is a good idea?

It's just project fear to coin a phrase.
 
kaz7 said:
Said by someone who has fuck all idea how difficult it is to get pips and keep it
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Kaz are you really that naive that you believe that everyone on disability benefit is genuine? If no, then please tell me precisely what's wrong with identifying people who are not entitled to this benefit.

And also if you read my post again you just see that I am aware of how hard the job is of "screening" people. My best friend died a horrible death from cancer a few years back and while days from his death he had government people visiting checking his entitlement, it was extremely distressing for them as well as for his wife.

So despite your needlessly agressive post, I'm afraid you are wrong I do know a bit about this subject.
 
Churchlawtonblue said:
Kaz are you really that naive that you believe that everyone on disability benefit is genuine? If no, then please tell me precisely what's wrong with identifying people who are not entitled to this benefit.

And also if you read my post again you just see that I am aware of how hard the job is of "screening" people. My best friend died a horrible death from cancer a few years back and while days from his death he had government people visiting checking his entitlement, it was extremely distressing for them as well as for his wife.

So despite your needlessly agressive post, I'm afraid you are wrong I do know a bit about this subject.
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I get reassessed every two to three years so i know the system very well . Gov figures , last time i looked, show 0.7% fraud in the benefits system, that includes mistakes made by the dwp themselves . The right wing media would have you believe that everyone is playing the system , it is just not true
 
blueinsa said:
About to lose all benefits if they refuse training and work as well.

How very Tory!

Policy that will go down a storm with their supporters in here no doubt.
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I imagine it will be similar to New Deal, something Labour introduced under Blair.
As in...here are the options, but long term unemployment is not one of them
 
kaz7 said:
I get reassessed every two to three years so i know the system very well . Gov figures , last time i looked, show 0.7% fraud in the benefits system, that includes mistakes made by the dwp themselves . The right wing media would have you believe that everyone is playing the system , it is just not true
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3.7% fraud and error.
www.gov.uk

Fraud and error in the benefit system: financial year 2022 to 2023 estimates

Estimates of fraud and error levels in the benefit system in Great Britain in the financial year 2022 to 2023.
www.gov.uk www.gov.uk
 
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