The Labour Government

[TinFoilHat]

I blame the voters, to be honest.

If voters are unintelligent enough to respond to three-word slogans and similar shite, then it's no wonder our politics are in disarray. No sensible debate can be held on any subject. It all descends into a football-like argument, my team good, your team wankers.

I'm not sure democracy can be made to work anymore, not while we have a corrupt media run by greedy billionaires and social media that's full of fruit loops, bigots and nazis. As for Farage and his mates, don't make me laugh. They got us into this shit through Brexit and what passed for a debate at that time. A pack of lies and distortions that played on people's ignorance.

Fantastically put.

 

[metalblue]

They can’t win. If they had made payments people would be kicking off about Labour spending and wasting public money.

You can please some of the people all of the time, all of the people some of the time, but you can’t please all of the people all of the time.

Ultimately if you believe it the right thing to do then you face your critics without fear. It’s also ok to say they didn’t deserve it etc etc if you believe that. Being duplicitous (or being seen to be) is not ok.

 

[Johnny Mars Bar]

You can please some of the people all of the time, all of the people some of the time, but you can’t please all of the people all of the time.

Ultimately if you believe it the right thing to do then you face your critics without fear. It’s also ok to say they didn’t deserve it etc etc if you believe that. Being duplicitous (or being seen to be) is not ok.

My personal view is that it is a bit shit for the people who fell through these cracks (my mum is one of them) but in the cold light of day, limited public money is better spent on other things than compensating old boomers.

A lot of people don’t want to hear that, I know.

 

[Saddleworth2]

corrupt media run by greedy billionaires

So much damage done to the country by them, from politics to the reputation of our beloved club. This is where I would start. It is they that dictate how the country 'thinks'. Folk say ah but newspaper circulation is reducing. It doesn't matter as their on line presence is enough. When you double that up with X and other stuff, influenced by other greedy right wing millionaires, then what chance true democracy. The present government were in power 2 minutes and the media were baying for them to resign, even after everything that had happened with the last shower of crooked cunts. I was daft enough to listen to PMQT last week. Jesus it was more childish than a kindergarden play ground.

You yearn for a parliament that actually focuses entirely on the problems of the country and how to fix them and works together for solutions rather than focusing entirely on their bubble and knocking seven bells out of each other.

 

[Johnny Mars Bar]

I blame the voters, to be honest.

If voters are unintelligent enough to respond to three-word slogans and similar shite, then it's no wonder our politics are in disarray. No sensible debate can be held on any subject. It all descends into a football-like argument, my team good, your team wankers.

I'm not sure democracy can be made to work anymore, not while we have a corrupt media run by greedy billionaires and social media that's full of fruit loops, bigots and nazis. As for Farage and his mates, don't make me laugh. They got us into this shit through Brexit and what passed for a debate at that time. A pack of lies and distortions that played on people's ignorance.

This is a drum political centrists like myself have been banging for 15 years.

Another unpopular opinion on here no doubt but in my view this country has been in a tailspin of increasing velocity since the day Tony Blair stepped down.

 

[TinFoilHat]

Be interesting to see if these decisions play into the next GE.

I suspect they will be forgotten about by everyone but Führage.

 

[meltonblue]

So, anyone who doesn't agree with this absolutely abysmal, inept, corrupt government and sees Farage as a possible change to the current 2 party system are manipulated bellends, typical left wing nam calling, and you prove, why we need the poison that is the left, out of government and out of our lives.

You don’t have to be left wing to think that about those that support Farage to be fair. That’s part of how he’s been able to frame
the debate and bring in Americanisms to our politics. To his followers, seemingly everyone else is left wing now.

 

[Kompany Car]

corrupt media run by greedy billionaires

Einstein, whilst frequently misquoted, said something very much along those lines in his 1949 article entitled "Why Socialism ?"

 

[metalblue]

My personal view is that it is a bit shit for the people who fell through these cracks (my mum is one of them) but in the cold light of day, limited public money is better spent on other things than compensating old boomers.

A lot of people don’t want to hear that, I know.

I fully get that mate and maybe I’m too much an ideologist but I just hate the idea that justice is only served when it’s deemed affordable … actually no, not affordable, a priority - we know they could “find” the money if they wanted to.

As you say they’ve got bigger priorities than justice.

 

[Johnny Mars Bar]

I fully get that mate and maybe I’m too much an ideologist but I just hate the idea that justice is only served when it’s deemed affordable … actually no, not affordable, a priority - we know they could “find” the money if they wanted to.

As you say they’ve got bigger priorities than justice.

I’m sure if the country was awash with cash we’d have paid them out, but the harsh reality is we’re not, so the government has to prioritise.

Rightly or wrongly, it’s the way it is.

 

[TinFoilHat]

I’m sure if the country was awash with cash we’d have paid them out, but the harsh reality is we’re not, so the government has to prioritise.

Rightly or wrongly, it’s the way it is.

As you know I'm not Sir Keir's or labours biggest fan. I feel this is what he is doing and has to do to sort out the damage left from the previous government.

Party politics aside it has to be done. Media bias doesn't help as some of these measure attack them and their owners and are being framed as destroying the country rather than measures needed to stabilise them to build on.

I'm in one of the categories that will be squeezed both ways. I earn too much for any kind of credits and too little for a comfortable lifestyle. I can take that if it means the NHS will treat me quicker and a public infrastructure which is basic and works for everyone.

 

[threespires]

I blame the voters, to be honest.

If voters are unintelligent enough to respond to three-word slogans and similar shite, then it's no wonder our politics are in disarray. No sensible debate can be held on any subject. It all descends into a football-like argument, my team good, your team wankers.

I'm not sure democracy can be made to work anymore, not while we have a corrupt media run by greedy billionaires and social media that's full of fruit loops, bigots and nazis. As for Farage and his mates, don't make me laugh. They got us into this shit through Brexit and what passed for a debate at that time. A pack of lies and distortions that played on people's ignorance.

I would whole heartedly agree that our media in old and new forms is failing to offer the things that are needed for a liberal democracy to thrive and maybe even survive. I'm not sure it's simply the unintelligence of the voters, with the advent of new technologies it is much easier to exploit the psychological/cognitive 'deficiencies' that we all suffer from. I think as an electorate we are uninformed and lacking in the critical thinking required to recognise and avoid the manipulation of us that frequently takes place; we have also become conditioned to expect information for free which leads to problematic business models and degrades our media further.

 

[Bluesince1979]

Be interesting to see if these decisions play into the next GE.

I suspect they will be forgotten about by everyone but Führage.

Matbe by getting all the ‘bad news’ out the way now then, yeah, they have 4 years for people to forget it ever happened.

But they need to start getting things ‘right’ pretty soon, or all the shit just goes on the list

 

[SamBlue]

This is a drum political centrists like myself have been banging for 15 years.

Another unpopular opinion on here no doubt but in my view this country has been in a tailspin of increasing velocity since the day Tony Blair stepped down.

2008 crash did it for us, Blair or no Blair. Tory/LD government had just completed the job with almost genocidal budget cutting. Although there is info how we recovered by 2014-2016, it never happened in reality, but for a tiny minority at the very top. Brexit and COVID were catalyzers for things to become even worse. Politicians are just the agents of the financial industry and nothing else, their reaction to 2008 crash - presented as a great victory for the whole society - or what happened to Truss is the best proof for that. We moved from casino capitalism to betting shop capitalism. Blair was only lucky that during his reign inflation and energy prices were low, so people had this feeling of security, but once that cat was out of the box it all really unfolded. London and parts of SE are still holding somehow. Listening to Starmer/Reeves bullshit is the same like watching City for the past two months, like somebody split your skull and picking your brain.

 

[hilts]

Fantastically put.

No bullshit party -

Make slogans obsolete

 

[BrianW]

The country is in the shit and there are no easy answers.

Con merchants telling people there are easy answers are part of the problem, they are definitely not part of the solution. But of course, people want to believe there are easy answers as it gives them someone to kick.

Politicians can't tell the truth because generally, people aren't grown-up enough to accept it. I find it amusing that almost every critic of this government wants public expenditure increased in some way or another, but at the same time they don't think anyone should pay more tax.

 

[Postman Pep]

2008 crash did it for us, Blair or no Blair. Tory/LD government had just completed the job with almost genocidal budget cutting. Although there is info how we recovered by 2014-2016, it never happened in reality, but for a tiny minority at the very top. Brexit and COVID were catalyzers for things to become even worse. Politicians are just the agents of the financial industry and nothing else, their reaction to 2008 crash - presented as a great victory for the whole society - or what happened to Truss is the best proof for that. We moved from casino capitalism to betting shop capitalism. Blair was only lucky that during his reign inflation and energy prices were low, so people had this feeling of security, but once that cat was out of the box it all really unfolded. London and parts of SE are still holding somehow. Listening to Starmer/Reeves bullshit is the same like watching City for the past two months, like somebody split your skull and picking your brain.

 

[Kompany Car]

The country is in the shit and there are no easy answers.

Con merchants telling people there are easy answers are part of the problem, they are definitely not part of the solution. But of course, people want to believe there are easy answers as it gives them someone to kick.

Politicians can't tell the truth because generally, people aren't grown-up enough to accept it. I find it amusing that almost every critic of this government wants public expenditure increased in some way or another, but at the same time they don't think anyone should pay more tax.

I don't think anyone would disagree with paying more tax, the problem is having visibility as to where it all goes and what measured improvements will be achieved.

If I hand over my hard earned cash for a service to be performed I can see when its been completed, if its to the required standard and its transparent who's getting paid what amount. The problem with taxation is, its not transparent, many see little tangible benefit. Schools are getting worse, hospitals dont have enough money, infrastructure projects are being cancelled, the military is shrinking, pension ages are rising, not enough police, prison full, swathes of homeless people etc.

Yet people such as myself are absolutely caned for tax because Im an easy PAYE target on a good salary.

Its absolutely correct that we all need to pay more tax, but there needs to be a lot more accountability around how that tax is spent.

 

[mosssideblue]

I don't think anyone would disagree with paying more tax, the problem is having visibility as to where it all goes and what measured improvements will be achieved.

If I hand over my hard earned cash for a service to be performed I can see when its been competed, if its to the required standard and its transparent who's getting paid what amount. The problem with taxation is, its not transparent, many see little tangible benefit. Schools are getting worse, hospitals dont have enough money, infrastructure projects are being cancelled, the military is shrinking, pension ages are rising, not enough police, prison full, swathes of homeless people etc.

Yet people such as myself are absolutely caned for tax because Im an easy PAYE target on a good salary.

Its absolutely correct that we all need to pay more tax, but there needs to be a lot more accountability around how that tax is spent.

Good post there fella

 

[blueinsa]

I don't think anyone would disagree with paying more tax, the problem is having visibility as to where it all goes and what measured improvements will be achieved.

If I hand over my hard earned cash for a service to be performed I can see when its been competed, if its to the required standard and its transparent who's getting paid what amount. The problem with taxation is, its not transparent, many see little tangible benefit. Schools are getting worse, hospitals dont have enough money, infrastructure projects are being cancelled, the military is shrinking, pension ages are rising, not enough police, prison full, swathes of homeless people etc.

Yet people such as myself are absolutely caned for tax because Im an easy PAYE target on a good salary.

Its absolutely correct that we all need to pay more tax, but there needs to be a lot more accountability around how that tax is spent.

Nailed it.