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[mancityvstoke]

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What more do claimants have to pay? It's the higher rate mobility part of PIP isn't it?

Personal Independence Payment (PIP) | Motability Scheme

Personal Independence Payment (PIP) is to help people with a disability or long-term health condition with extra costs. Learn about eligibility, rates and more.

www.motability.co.uk

 

[mancityvstoke]

To quantify this in the sense of £200 for WFA is silly because your criticism is over pension credit and not WFA.

Aside from WFA, I haven't seen a single party mention benefit reform in the context of pensioners so it isn't like there is/was a choice.

eh?

 

[mosssideblue]

What more do claimants have to pay? It's the higher rate mobility part of PIP isn't it?

Personal Independence Payment (PIP) | Motability Scheme

Personal Independence Payment (PIP) is to help people with a disability or long-term health condition with extra costs. Learn about eligibility, rates and more.

www.motability.co.uk

The higher rate of PiP mobility does not get every disabled driver a car that is fit for purpose. Many disability cars require an upfront payment of thousands as well as all your monthly mobility element

 

[mancityvstoke]

The higher rate of PiP mobility does not get every disabled driver a car that is fit for purpose. Many disability cars require an upfront payment of thousands as well as all your monthly mobility element

The whole point of bringing "cars for the disabled" into this argument was to stop the cunts who don't really need them (blaggers) .....not to fuck up people who are genuine.

For example those who give their cars to family members which also happens a lot. The druggies exaggerating their issues...the list is endless.

But no lets take winter fuel allowance off old cunts .....so easy that.

So I'm not sure why it's going down this road?

 

[inbetween]

eh?

You are criticising the fairness of pension credit, a system that has existed for ages. If it's the case that pension credit is unfair then it should be reformed but that isn't on offer. The Tories had 15 years to sort that out but they didn't so criticising Labour in that lens after just 2 months is perhaps short-sighted.

All that Labour have done is taken away £200 a year so it has to be quantified in that sense but nobody knows how many will truly miss that £200. I'm sure there will be many but there will also be cases that don't need it. Means testing such benefits is therefore clearly a good idea.

Or should working families continue to struggle to heat their own homes whilst paying taxes which allow Jim and Vera to go to Benidorm with their £200?

 

[mosssideblue]

The whole point of bringing "cars for the disabled" into this argument was to stop the cunts who don't really need them (blaggers) .....not to fuck up people who are genuine.

For example those who give their cars to family members which also happens a lot. The druggies exaggerating their issues...the list is endless.

So I'm not sure why it's going down this road?

I simply responded to your post

 

[mancityvstoke]

You are criticising the fairness of pension credit, a system that has existed for ages. If it's the case that pension credit is unfair then it should be reformed but that isn't on offer. The Tories had 15 years to sort that out but they didn't so criticising Labour in that lens after just 2 months is perhaps short-sighted.

All that Labour have done is taken away £200 a year so it has to be quantified in that sense but nobody knows how many will truly miss that £200. I'm sure there will be many but there will also be cases that don't need it. Means testing such benefits is therefore clearly a good idea.

Or should working families continue to struggle to heat their own homes whilst paying taxes which allow Jim and Vera to go to Benidorm with their £200?

ffs....who's Jim and Vera?

I'm not talking about people who are loaded......I give up.

This thread is fucking mental.

 

[metalblue]

You are criticising the fairness of pension credit, a system that has existed for ages. If it's the case that pension credit is unfair then it should be reformed but that isn't on offer. The Tories had 15 years to sort that out but they didn't so criticising Labour in that lens after just 2 months is perhaps short-sighted.

All that Labour have done is taken away £200 a year so it has to be quantified in that sense but nobody knows how many will truly miss that £200. I'm sure there will be many but there will also be cases that don't need it. Means testing such benefits is therefore clearly a good idea.

Or should working families continue to struggle to heat their own homes whilst paying taxes which allow Jim and Vera to go to Benidorm with their £200?

Age UK said 2m pensioners would struggle by removing the WFA.

 

[PPT]

So when you say it's a 'piss take' you're talking about the charges for motability cars?

Yes.

 

[ganganvince]

The facts suggest that nearly 1 in 4 pensioners are asset millionaires, should all of those get a free £200 for fuel? It makes sense that at the very least it should be means tested and in my opinion not paid as cash. Working families don't have the luxury of such assets and will have mortgage repayments etc plus fuel bills so where is their £200?

Obviously there are many pensioners who aren't asset millionaires but then the poorest pensioners will be on pension credit where they'll get the £200 anyway. Somebody on pension credit has to have less than £10k cash and anybody with more than that can surely afford to lose £200 a year?

The only problem is with the shear unknown amounts who are eligible for such benefits but aren't claiming them but I suspect there will have been a huge spike in claims in recent weeks. That money saved by Starmer will therefore probably not amount to much anyway.

1 on 4 are millionaires is not strictly true it's 1 in 4/5 live in a household with assets of 1 million could be any number of people in there.

Golden oldies: Are one in five pensioners millionaires? - Full Fact

A quarter of over 65s live in households with wealth above a million pounds.

fullfact.org