The Labour Government

[PPT]

Well we had all that spare cash taken of pensioners' winter fuel payments, so we had to find somone to give it to.

Reeves obviously believes that one pensioner freezing to death is another train driver's pay increase.
And they call Thatcher the witch!

 

[Vic]

All of this backlash over a maximum of £1.3bn saved. It was an idiotic political decision by an idiotic pair of politicians, even more so than an idiotic financial one.

Now they are in a real hole. The sensible thing to do, which they may gain an atom of respect from, would be to say,

"you know what, we've only by in for 8 weeks, we're doing our best, we're trying to make changes for the better, but inevitably we will make mistakes, and on this ocassion, clealy we got this one wrong. We are not so up ourselves to be unable to admit mistakes and we are reversing this decision".

Instead, we have them just overtly LYING, trying to justify the unjustifiable. About how this £1.3bn saving is ESSENTIAL to save the economy, whilst at the same time approving giving £11bn away to foreign climate change initiatives.

No-one believes this for 1 second, and it just shows Starmer and Reeves up as being dishonest. And obviously, politically incompetent.

You're obsessed with the Foreign Aid budget, which is nothing to do with any new policy. And if you think there's such a thing as "foreign climate change" (distinct from global climate change affecting "foreign" countries more than the UK) I'm afraid that's a bit silly.

Still, if they did what you said, would you or the Daily Fail really give them any credit for the U-turn?

 

[Vic]

BTW, if they TRULY wanted to take money from those pensioners who could afford it, whilst still protecting those on very low incomes, then they could have scrapped the WFA and simply said they are raising the state pension by £300. And then anyone well off enough to be paying income tax and NI would not receive the full amount.

Would not save as much money, but at least it would be fair.

Pensioners don't pay NI.

 

[PPT]

Pensioners don't pay NI.

Yet...

 

[Vic]

Your logic is daft. Lots of things are far more expensive than they once were. Why single out pensions? Why cut anything? Raise taxes. If this was a Tory policy you’d be frothing at the mouth and you know it.

Are you really missing the demographic point? Paying for pensions is easy if life expectancy is 70 and for every pensioner 20 people are working and paying tax; if life expectancy is 90 and there are as many people collecting pensions as working to paying for them, how does that work?

 

[maxwellblue]

You're obsessed with the Foreign Aid budget, which is nothing to do with any new policy.

Of course it has, giving 11 billion in foreign aid to other countries while we are freezing our own elderly is just plain wrong. If you would rather we fund India's space program rather than help our own oaps then you really need to take a good hard look at yourself.

 

[Ifwecouldjust.......]

All of this backlash over a maximum of £1.3bn saved. It was an idiotic political decision by an idiotic pair of politicians, even more so than an idiotic financial one.

Now they are in a real hole. The sensible thing to do, which they may gain an atom of respect from, would be to say,

"you know what, we've only by in for 8 weeks, we're doing our best, we're trying to make changes for the better, but inevitably we will make mistakes, and on this ocassion, clealy we got this one wrong. We are not so up ourselves to be unable to admit mistakes and we are reversing this decision".

Instead, we have them just overtly LYING, trying to justify the unjustifiable. About how this £1.3bn saving is ESSENTIAL to save the economy, whilst at the same time approving giving £11bn away to foreign climate change initiatives.

No-one believes this for 1 second, and it just shows Starmer and Reeves up as being dishonest. And obviously, politically incompetent.

Together with the cancellation of contracts (Bibby Stockholm , Rwanda , Private Helicopter etc ) and reducing the size of the state , It was probably the only 'in year' saving that could be made without inviting international condemnation.


Looking forward to your suggestions as to what else could be done.

 

[mexico1970]

Are you really missing the demographic point? Paying for pensions is easy if life expectancy is 70 and for every pensioner 20 people are working and paying tax; if life expectancy is 90 and there are as many people collecting pensions as working to paying for them, how does that work?

10 million working aged people economically inactive
1.5 million pensioners working still
18.6% of people in England and Wales are 65 or over
There are some 60,000,000 people living in England and Wales.

Solution?

Instead of taking money off pensioners how about start to make the people who don't want to work actually pay for their upkeep by getting them jobs, that should be the first consideration.

As for the "Lets bring more adults in to do the jobs that our adults wont" you're just bringing in more prospective pensioners we need more children not adults.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

Together with the cancellation of contracts (Bibby Stockholm , Rwanda , Private Helicopter etc ) and reducing the size of the state , It was probably the only 'in year' saving that could be made without inviting international condemnation.


Looking forward to your suggestions as to what else could be done.

Recoup the money given to Tory donors for PPE in the pandemic?

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

10 million working aged people economically inactive
1.5 million pensioners working still
18.6% of people in England and Wales are 65 or over
There are some 60,000,000 people living in England and Wales.

Solution?

Instead of taking money off pensioners how about start to make the people who don't want to work actually pay for their upkeep by getting them jobs, that should be the first consideration.

As for the "Lets bring more adults in to do the jobs that our adults wont" you're just bringing in more prospective pensioners we need more children not adults.

Are you Lee Anderson?