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urban genie said:
no

some people were obligated to have a private pension in their work and are still maybe only on very low pensions which the scrapping of WFA will decimate during the cold spell months.

private pensions should not factor into it, but the obviousness someome worth x amount of money doesn't need it.
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Agreed.

For me, anyone on less than around £20k should be considered poor and deserving of the WFA.

And unless the WFA is given to everyone, then IMO it should not be a cliff edge benefit where someone on e.g. £19,999 gets it and someone on £20,000 does not. It’s ludicrous that you could be worse off by earning £1 more.

So if not given to everyone, it should be provided on a tapered basis, so that the poorest get all of it, medium earners get some of it and the highest earners get none … or at least much less.

The challenge is how to administer this without an army of bureaucrats and civil servants wasting billions in admin costs.

For me, the simplest way by far - although clearly not perfect - would be to add it to the basic state pension, because the state pension is taxable. Yes I appreciate this would not save as much money, but it would save some money and eliminate the terrible hardship Reeves’ current plan will inflict on the poorest.

If she had not shot herself in the foot with respect to no income tax changes, she could have recovered the delta with a minor tweak such as an extra 1p or 2p tax on pensioners’ earnings over say £100k. But that ship has sailed I think.
 
mancityvstoke said:
this Govt should sort out all the cunts claiming for cars that they don't need.....druggies in high rise blocks claiming pip etc. Paying fuck all rent . council tax, plus receiving tons of cash they dont need.

Sort that shit out before picking on the vulnerable piss easy targets.
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motability?
The money for that comes out of received benefits. Anything other than a 2 door runabout costs ALL of the benefit element.
 
stonerblue said:
No it isn't. You don't get a car for nowt on motability.
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loads taking the piss with fuck all wrong with them....get tax, insurance the lot paid.

Nice cars too....not shitty little motors. I lived in high rise blocks for 20 years seen em all and spoke to them laughing their heads off.......fuck all wrong with them just blaggers. Mates as carers claiming carers allowances. All high on crack. I know loads at it.

It's an industry.
 
mancityvstoke said:
loads taking the piss with fuck all wrong with them....get tax, insurance the lot paid.

Nice cars too....not shitty little motors. I lived in high rise blocks for 20 years seen em all and spoke to them laughing their heads off.......fuck all wrong with them just blaggers. Mates as carers claiming carers allowances. All high on crack. I know loads at it.

It's an industry.
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Most people that I've met through being an unpaid carer have to fight tooth and nail for every single bit of help we can get. I agree with you on the wfa but please don't bring us into it just yet, we'll be on the chopping block next without the same outcry.
 
Don Karleone said:
Most people that I've met through being an unpaid carer have to fight tooth and nail for every single bit of help we can get. I agree with you on the wfa but please don't bring us into it just yet, we'll be on the chopping block next without the same outcry.
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not talking about genuine people boss...........blaggers.....loads of em.

I was an unpaid carer for 4 years for my Aunt who had severe dementia and I provided 24/7 care ...it made me ill. She died on a waiting list for a walk in shower. I got fuck all help and she was too old to claim PIP etc only attendance allowance. Carers allowance was shyte.

They need to stop attacking all poorer vulnerable people. Setting poor against poor.


Taking winter fuel payments off old people who are broke before stopping blaggers laughing at the system is a fucking piss take.
 
Don Karleone said:
Most people that I've met through being an unpaid carer have to fight tooth and nail for every single bit of help we can get. I agree with you on the wfa but please don't bring us into it just yet, we'll be on the chopping block next without the same outcry.
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It's shocking what carers, both unpaid and in receipt of carers allowance, have to put up with.
 
mancityvstoke said:
not talking about genuine people boss...........blaggers.....loads of em.

I was an unpaid carer for 4 years for my Aunt who had severe dementia and I provided 24/7 care ...it made me ill. She died on a waiting list for a walk in shower. I got fuck all help and she was too old to claim PIP etc only attendance allowance. Carers allowance was shyte.

They need to stop attacking all poorer vulnerable people. Setting poor against poor.


Taking winter fuel payments off old people who are broke before stopping blaggers laughing at the system is a fucking piss take.
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That you managed to look after your Aunt for 4 years with that dreadful disease is a credit to you mate. We were relieved when my father was admitted to a care home, we just couldn’t handle it.
 
mancityvstoke said:
loads taking the piss with fuck all wrong with them....get tax, insurance the lot paid.

Nice cars too....not shitty little motors. I lived in high rise blocks for 20 years seen em all and spoke to them laughing their heads off.......fuck all wrong with them just blaggers. Mates as carers claiming carers allowances. All high on crack. I know loads at it.

It's an industry.
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The missus' sister 55 never worked a day gets every benefit going. Her son is 25 following same path.
 
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Chippy_boy said:
Duly outed as a champagne socialist. Clearly you never mix with poor people.

Seriously.
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The facts suggest that nearly 1 in 4 pensioners are asset millionaires, should all of those get a free £200 for fuel? It makes sense that at the very least it should be means tested and in my opinion not paid as cash. Working families don't have the luxury of such assets and will have mortgage repayments etc plus fuel bills so where is their £200?

Obviously there are many pensioners who aren't asset millionaires but then the poorest pensioners will be on pension credit where they'll get the £200 anyway. Somebody on pension credit has to have less than £10k cash and anybody with more than that can surely afford to lose £200 a year?

The only problem is with the shear unknown amounts who are eligible for such benefits but aren't claiming them but I suspect there will have been a huge spike in claims in recent weeks. That money saved by Starmer will therefore probably not amount to much anyway.
 
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inbetween said:
The facts suggest that nearly 1 in 4 pensioners are asset millionaires, should all of those get a free £200 for fuel? It makes sense that at the very least it should be means tested. Working families don't have the luxury of such assets and will have mortgage repayments etc plus fuel bills so where is their £200?

Obviously there are many pensioners aren't asset millionaires but then the poorest pensioners will be on pension credit where they'll get the £200 anyway. Somebody on pension credit has to have less than £10k cash and anybody with more than that can surely afford to lose £200 a year?

The only problem is with the shear unknown amounts who are eligible for such benefits but aren't claiming them but I suspect there will have been a huge spike in claims in recent weeks. That money saved by Starmer will therefore probably not amount to much anyway.
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deluded post.

Are you aware of the cut off point for pension credit? Savings or not?

Those who are eligible for pension credit are financially better off than those on a state pension only just over the threshold cut off point.

That isn't right, fair or moral.
 
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mancityvstoke said:
deluded post.

Are you aware of the cut off point for pension credit? Savings or not?

Those who are eligible for pension credit are financially better off than those on a state pension only just over the threshold cut off point.

That isn't right, fair or moral.
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To quantify this in the sense of £200 for WFA is silly because your criticism is over pension credit and not WFA.

Aside from WFA, I haven't seen a single party mention benefit reform in the context of pensioners so it isn't like there is/was a choice.
 
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