The Labour Government

[Phil1]

‘Woke, lefty’ has to be the saddest of all sad statements from a supposed grown up.

 

[law74]

You sound like an Arsenal fan, Chippy.

Nobody's giving out trophies after three months of a five year parliament.

My prediction is that there will be under 100 self-servative MP's going into the next General Election (through defections and criminal acts) and they will still lose seats.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

My prediction is that there will be under 100 self-servative MP's going into the next General Election (through defections and criminal acts) and they will still lose seats.

The standard of Tory MP can never have been lower. They need to find 600 people willing to stand that are intelligent and articulate.

 

[The Future’s Blue!]

The standard of Tory MP can never have been lower. They need to find 600 people willing to stand that are intelligent and articulate.

They have serious problems and I’m not sure having a ‘leader’ such as Jenrick or Badenoch will bring their voters out.

 

[Brewster's millions]

They have serious problems and I’m not sure having a ‘leader’ such as Jenrick or Badenoch will bring their voters out.

Neither Jenrick nor Badenoch will bring their voters out, but thankfully Starmer will.

 

[BrianW]

The problem is the present-day 'Conservatives' are not remotely conservative.

Since Thatcher, they have increasingly become radicals. The 'Reform' party are an even more extreme version of right-wing radical, but essentially shysters.

Pernicious American influence is to blame for much, perhaps most, of this trend.

Strange to say, but if we had a genuine conservative movement based on protecting our national institutions and, above all, the rule of law, I might be tempted by the offer.

The present 'Conservative' politicians appear to believe the rule of law is an awkward inconvenience that gets in the way of their arbitrary tendencies. More like King Charles I than Winston Churchill.

 

[meltonblue]

Because that's what the country is mate. That's why Starmer got 20% of the electorate voting for him and 80% not.

The minor issue for the majority was that the Tory party had become unelectable and people were not prepared to hold their noses and vote for them any longer. So we have a Labour government a majority never wanted, and when they've turned out to be far worse than anyone could have possibly imagined, it's hardly surprising everyone - who didn't vote for them in the first place - is against them.

If there was a GE tomorrow, the Monster Raving Looney party might win. Labour would certainly get even less than 20% of the electorate voting for them. Reflect upon that for a moment: Less than 1 in 5 would vote for them*

Therefore, is it any wonder that the media, who ultimately just want to sell clicks or newspapers, are being critical? They merely reflect the mood of the nation.



* Given only 1 in 5 voted for them in the first place and now they are far less popular than then.

That’s demonstrably untrue though given the vote share in elections of right vs left wing parties. The press isn’t reflective of that at all, which is also why the bbc is still seen as the most trusted.

The country is between centre left and centre right. The Overton window has shifted a long way right too though, to the point one nation conservatives, which were the mainstay of the party only fifteen years ago, are now outliers in their own party.

 

[bluethrunthru]

Neither Jenrick nor Badenoch will bring their voters out, but thankfully Starmer will.

in 5 years time ........... I remember people on here crowing that Johnson was on for 3 terms in 2019 having led us to the sunlit Brexit uplands with the EU eating out of the palm of his hand and us trading billions $ with the USA ................ rather foolish claims being made this far out

 

[i kne albert davy]

in 5 years time ........... I remember people on here crowing that Johnson was on for 3 terms in 2019 having led us to the sunlit Brexit uplands with the EU eating out of the palm of his hand and us trading billions $ with the USA ................ rather foolish claims being made this far out

We had a trade surplus with the US of 75 billion last year just saying.

 

[Kirkstall Blue]

A good interview about Harold Wilson.

 

[Ifwecouldjust.......]

The standard of Tory MP can never have been lower. They need to find 600 people willing to stand that are intelligent and articulate.

To do that would require the selection team to be intelligent and articulate..... so no chance there.

 

[The perfect fumble]

This guy is a unabashed right wing commentator and historian, so it pains me to admit that he's right...

 

[KS55]

The British gov is holding an investment conference. A swathe of international bankers and investors has said the time is right to invest in Britain, PROVIDED THE GOV IMPROVE RELATIONS WITH THE PRIVATE SECTOR.
So the transport secretary trashes P&O and calls for a boycott. P&O is now a Dubai company planning to invest in a major way. It took Starmer sweet talking them to repair the damage.
Labour must learn the lesson and drop their historic antipathy to the private sector or a major opportunity will be lost. Post Brexit our future depends on it.
The transport secretary remains in her post.

 

[TinFoilHat]

This guy is a unabashed right wing commentator and historian, so it pains me to admit that he's right...

Lammy is an idiot.

The British gov is holding an investment conference. A swathe of international bankers and investors has said the time is right to invest in Britain, PROVIDED THE GOV IMPROVE RELATIONS WITH THE PRIVATE SECTOR.
So the transport secretary trashes P&O and calls for a boycott. P&O is now a Dubai company planning to invest in a major way. It took Starmer sweet talking them to repair the damage.
Labour must learn the lesson and drop their historic opposition to the private sector or a major opportunity will be lost. Post Brexit our future depends on it.

The issue is with employment rights more than taking private sector money.

DP world and other cunts got into their positions by avoiding best working practices for bigger profits and now think they can dictate to governments their profit driven agendas.

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

This guy is a unabashed right wing commentator and historian, so it pains me to admit that he's right...

I don't know whether what that chap says is correct or not.

But my impression about Lammy is that he tends to shoot from the hip and says what comes into his head sometimes not thinking. That is an unenviable quality for any secretary for stat.

Put it another way, early days I know, but sadly he doesn't appear to have the intellect and integrity of a certain former Labour Foreign Secretary, Robin Cook. But few do these days.

 

[TinFoilHat]

I don't know whether what that chap says is correct or not.

But my impression about Lammy is that he tends to shoot from the hip and says what comes into his head sometimes not thinking. That is an unenviable quality for any secretary for stat.

Put it another way, early days I know, but sadly he doesn't appear to have the intellect and integrity of a certain former Labour Foreign Secretary, Robin Cook. But few do these days.

That was the difference in parties many years ago.

Dissenting voices were heard and debates within the labour party where done in the open, and occasionally those voices would win and make policy from their arguments. Whilst the Tories plotted and schemed against each other in the shadows.

Ever since Blair the plotting has been in labour party too.

 

[bluenova]

That was the difference in parties many years ago.

Dissenting voices were heard and debates within the labour party where done in the open, and occasionally those voices would win and make policy from their arguments. Whilst the Tories plotted and schemed against each other in the shadows.

Ever since Blair the plotting has been in labour party too.

You really think Labour politicians didn't plot and scheme against each other until Blair?

I was put off getting involved with politics when I read a book by Ken Livingstone, and his scheming, years before Blair would have been an MP. Scheming and plotting would have been going on a LONG time before that.

 

[Vic]

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You really think Labour politicians didn't plot and scheme against each other until Blair?

I was put off getting involved with politics when I read a book by Ken Livingstone, and his scheming, years before Blair would have been an MP. Scheming and plotting would have been going on a LONG time before that.

I know what's going on.

I'm going on.

(Harold Wilson)

 

[Ribble73]

I don't know whether what that chap says is correct or not.

But my impression about Lammy is that he tends to shoot from the hip and says what comes into his head sometimes not thinking. That is an unenviable quality for any secretary for stat.

Put it another way, early days I know, but sadly he doesn't appear to have the intellect and integrity of a certain former Labour Foreign Secretary, Robin Cook. But few do these days.

Simon Webb is 100% correct in saying Lammy will be upfront in these Reparations negotiations and is not remotely on our side and will cost us billions we can’t afford on totally bogus handouts

 

[meltonblue]

Simon Webb is 100% correct in saying Lammy will be upfront in these Reparations negotiations and is not remotely on our side and will cost us billions we can’t afford on totally bogus handouts

What negotiations?