The Labour Government

Onholiday(somemightsay) said:
Not sure why I am shocked anymore but fucking hell, do they not vet politicians anymore.

How can no-one have wanted p check her background and wonder why people from billionaire families want to work for £100k+ salaries..........
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Yes and the fact she could not remember who gave her a free flat in London might also have been a sign. But then again Starmer is happy to have people like her as long as it keeps anyone remotely left wing away from cabinet
 
Rascal said:
This Labour government has been nothing short of dreadful so far. They are so out of touch with the working class it's leading to the rise of Reform.

Starmer lies like Johnson
Reeves is awful, lacks compassion and understanding, she is also an economic neo-liberal.
Dont get me started on that **** Streeting, i despise him.

The right wing of the Labour party are truly monstrous, influenced by the likes of Mandelson and his ilk, serving corporate interests rather than the working class.
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My wife has always argued New Labour or the Starmer version of it are worse than the Tories. At least there is no presence from the Tories that they are utter shitearses
 
I had no idea that I could hate this government anymore than I do, but they've surpassed themselves with this one. Gerry Adams the Irish terrorist will now be allowed to claim compensation from the Northern Ireland troubles act.
 
tweety said:
I had no idea that I could hate this government anymore than I do, but they've surpassed themselves with this one. Gerry Adams the Irish terrorist will now be allowed to claim compensation from the Northern Ireland troubles act.
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No way the fucker will want to be handling money with the Queens/Kings head on it, so we're safe from giving away more of the money we don't have.
 
Hertzblue said:
" Is that what is "being demanded" or what you think should be demanded?" - Is this you Gaslighting me Vic ?
Last Wednesday in the House of Commons almost the whole day was spent on this topic and the leader of the official opposition used her time at PMQ's to demand a fresh enquiry. It was in all the news - Did you miss it ?
It has been covered extensively in the media since with many prominent people calling for a fresh enquiry - You can look that up .
Additionally a You Gov poll says that 76% of voters support a new enquiry and despite the position of the government 65% of Labour voters support a fresh enquiry (
So no, its not just about what I think.


Give it up. That was 7 years ago, before the last inquiry reported - You miss the point. The point is that Sarah Champion supports a fresh National enquiry despite an enquiry already being done in her Rotherham constituency. She knows that the enquiry was inadequate and that more work need to be undertaken .
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You may have missed my post in the Muskrat thread.

This derives from Oldham council's resolution to ask for a Public Inquiry into Child Sexual Exploitation in the borough of Oldham.

This government said no, just as had the Tory government. The rest is sheer opportunism. Most people who know what they're talking about say the Telford inquiry is how a local inquiry should be run.

As former prosecutor Nazir Afzal says, "I've been dealing with this for 15 years, and people think they know more about it after 15 minutes googling".

Ten years ago but still relevant:

www.theguardian.com

Nazir Afzal: ‘There is no religious basis for the abuse in Rotherham’

Nazir Afzal, the Crown Prosecution Service’s lead on child sexual abuse, tells Amelia Gentleman that it is about male power
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
 
Rascal said:
This Labour government has been nothing short of dreadful so far. They are so out of touch with the working class it's leading to the rise of Reform.

Starmer lies like Johnson
Reeves is awful, lacks compassion and understanding, she is also an economic neo-liberal.
Dont get me started on that **** Streeting, i despise him.

The right wing of the Labour party are truly monstrous, influenced by the likes of Mandelson and his ilk, serving corporate interests rather than the working class.
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Theyre all cunts at the moment.......hence the rise of right wing loons.

We've seen it all before sadly.
 
mancityvstoke said:
Theyre all cunts at the moment.......hence the rise of right wing loons.

We've seen it all before sadly.
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No one in government will ever please, will always be labelled as the 'worst ever' and a 'bunch of cunts' , left/right doesn't matter. It's media/social media driven to ensure we're all permanently outraged.

Labour have introduced some very good, measured proposals and working tirelessly to improve the NHS and public services - but no one gives a shit, it's to boring. people just want to be spoon fed anger.
 
Kompany Car said:
To be fair it depends on the market, the products/services involved and the time duration.

What you tend to find in sectors where the margins are small, you will either see a rise across the whole sector or some that hold back the rise and undercut to deliberately bring in new customers but then raise their prices later. Short term yes there may be a movement of customers but in the medium term prices will inevitably settle at a higher price point.

Where margins are much higher and they are independent of pressure from shareholders, then yes they may absorb some or all of the cost.
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Think of the poor shareholders..
 
Stiff Little Wingers said:
My wife has always argued New Labour or the Starmer version of it are worse than the Tories. At least there is no presence from the Tories that they are utter shitearses
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I presume you mean no pretence from the Tories that they are not utter shitearses.

Lest we forget, breaking the ministerial code was not a sacking matter under the shitearses.

www.joe.co.uk

All the cabinet ministers that broke the ministerial code

Downing Street has rejected a report that wants to introduce greater scrutiny of ministers; is it because so many of the cabinet have broken it?
www.joe.co.uk www.joe.co.uk
 
BlueHammer85 said:
No one in government will ever please, will always be labelled as the 'worst ever' and a 'bunch of cunts' , left/right doesn't matter. It's media/social media driven to ensure we're all permanently outraged.

Labour have introduced some very good, measured proposals and working tirelessly to improve the NHS and public services - but no one gives a shit, it's to boring. people just want to be spoon fed anger.
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Good post. Like so many political issues you cannot be good, only 'less bad' in the eyes of the public! Labour are certainly not left wing and come across as centre which I think is fair enough but obviously disappointing for those hoping for change. They also have tried to face up to tough problems and come up with what looks like sensible fiscal rules albeit with the comfort blanket of blaming all the country's ills on the Tories. The downside is they do not seem to have fared any better than the Tories so much of what they say comes across as nice meaning bluster. They need a lot of luck with a world economy upturn.
 
Kompany Car said:
Therein lies the problem, shareholders have little interest in the UK or its problems and will always chase whoever gives the best return against risk.
Bottom line is the world is run by private equity with little to no morality and short of a revolution its not gonna change.
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This is an odd one because does anybody actually understand who shareholders really are? If you have a pension that you want to grow above bank interest rates then it is very like that actually you are an evil shareholder.

Pension funds invest in stocks often for the dividend. If those companies suffer then the dividend suffers and your pension suffers, they might then invest elsewhere. Either way, you have a direct interest in obtaining the best return too.

If the government decided to impose a punitive system that is against shareholders then would you be happy to accept less money in retirement? I'd guess not, so why should we be in favour of such a thing?
 
inbetween said:
This is an odd one because does anybody actually understand who shareholders really are? If you have a pension that you want to grow above bank interest rates then it is very like that actually you are an evil shareholder.

Pension funds invest in stocks often for the dividend. If those companies suffer then the dividend suffers and your pension suffers, they might then invest elsewhere. Either way, you have a direct interest in obtaining the best return too.

If the government decided to impose a punitive system that is against shareholders then would you be happy to accept less money in retirement? I'd guess not, so why should we be in favour of such a thing?
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I fully understand who they are and yes I am an evil shareholder because there is no other option as the system has been created this way.

Pension funds are only a small percentage in the UK stock market, its actually less than 5% that is owned by pensions and insurance companies. Do you want to know which country has the highest UK share value per capita ... The Caymen Islands, 1000 times higher than anywhere else, followed by Lichtenstein and Luxembourg and we know the only individuals with the means to have accounts in these jurisdictions are the very wealthy.

Ultimately my point was a more philosophical question of how ethical it is to put money above everything else all for the top few percent to have a good life whilst the majority struggle. Is there a more equitable way of doing things that stops the massive wealth inequality that is growing yearly.
 
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Kompany Car said:
I fully understand who they are and yes I am an evil shareholder because there is no other option as the system has been created this way.

Pension funds are only a small percentage in the UK stock market, its actually less than 5% that is owned by pensions and insurance companies. Do you want to know which country has the highest UK share value per capita ... The Caymen Islands, 1000 times higher than anywhere else, followed by Lichtenstein and Luxembourg and we know the only individuals with the means to have accounts in these jurisdictions are the very wealthy.

Ultimately my point was a more philosophical question of how ethical it is to put money above everything else all for the top few percent to have a good life whilst the majority struggle. Is there a more equitable way of doing things that stops the massive wealth inequality that is growing yearly.
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Yes there is: the income tax system. Compare Scandinavia with elsewhere. They have higher taxes and less gap between the rich and the rest. Anybody would think we have never had a labour gov., given that our inequality grows all the time. Our biggest failing is overtaxing the least well off.
 
I fully understand that this government has inherited a right sodding mess, but I think another poster a few weeks ago was correct; they need to concentrate and fix "something" because life still feels like shite.
Small incremental baby steps on numerous issues does not feel like things getting better
 
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