The Labour Government

[Don Karleone]

Been brave.

Whether that will suit all, I’m not sure. I like a lot of their new policies, and good to see a government actually governing, making decisions on issues that we all hold dear.

What I do like is that they are owning it. Instead of outsourcing it. We can now see Ministers for what they do, and we can act accordingly.

How is he being brave? He's taking money from those with the least.

 

[NPBlue]

Abolish NHS England ? Good to hear.

It is indeed.

We had the most effective health system in the world in 2010 on so many metrics, then the tories came in and totally wrecked it.

Let's take it back to how it was run 15 years ago.

 

[blueinsa]

How is he being brave? He's taking money from those with the least.

We have seemingly got our own “Starmians” who will stand and applaud literally anything he and his party come up with, even if they are policies traditionally seen as right wing and ones a few short months ago they would have been disgusted by.

Tribal best sums it all up.

 

[Brewster's millions]

How is he being brave? He's taking money from those with the least.

And he’s doing all of this because he doesn’t want, or is too scared, to sack Reeves.

Bravery indeed.

 

[BigJoe#1]

Economy shrunk, Taxes increase next month, Benefits cut, Employers have little to no confidence, Job losses to grow ....

What a fuckin' mess this Tory Labour government is. Clueless. God Help Us!!

 

[hilts]

Personally I think 2010 to Covid was OK (looking back it was almost utopian by comparison to now). Post Covid is when the real shit show started and its just getting worse year after year.

You thought the covid period was okay?

 

[hilts]

As people got giddy over 0.1% growth what do we do about 0.1% shrinkage?

 

[Kompany Car]

You thought the covid period was okay?

It says “to COVID”, i.e ending at. The period over COVID I don’t think you can comment on as it was exceptionally grim for people who were losing loved ones.

 

[blueinsa]

As people got giddy over 0.1% growth what do we do about 0.1% shrinkage?

Just remember, further and faster….

 

[Norbert D]

Just wait until man of the people, very rich people Nige and his best mate Vlad gets in, he’s made no secret that he hates the nhs and wants to replace it with an American insurance based system, one that is hated by most Americans and costs citizens much more than the nhs.

 

[blueinsa]

Just wait until man of the people, very rich people Nige and his best mate Vlad gets in, he’s made no secret that he hates the nhs and wants to replace it with an American insurance based system, one that is hated by most Americans and costs citizens much more than the nhs.

Not really a ringing endorsement of the Labour Party but a bit of deflection is probably all many have at the moment.

 

[Norbert D]

Not really a ringing endorsement of the Labour Party but a bit of deflection is probably all many have at the moment.

Not you again. Labour may be a bit shit but the Trump lite alternative is a million times worse.

 

[BigJoe#1]

Just wait until man of the people, very rich people Nige and his best mate Vlad gets in, he’s made no secret that he hates the nhs and wants to replace it with an American insurance based system, one that is hated by most Americans and costs citizens much more than the nhs.

Is that any worse than the Starmer Streeting plan?

 

[blueinsa]

Not you again. Labour may be a bit shit but the Trump lite alternative is a million times worse.

Agree.

I can discuss Trump and Nige in their own threads though.

Labour are a bit shit but the alternative is shitter isn’t an excuse to ignore what this Labour Party is currently doing.

We now have a right wing Labour Party in power with an even further right opposition.

Let’s call it for what it is, fucking garbage.

 

[bluenova]

Is that any worse than the Starmer Streeting plan?

The one where they've promised to treat more people, more quickly, without asking them to pay for it?

I'd say yes, the US system is worse.

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

Just wait until man of the people, very rich people Nige and his best mate Vlad gets in, he’s made no secret that he hates the nhs and wants to replace it with an American insurance based system, one that is hated by most Americans and costs citizens much more than the nhs.

That is pretty much the current direction of travel from Starmer.

 

[hcblue95]

Agree.

I can discuss Trump and Nige in their own threads though.

Labour are a bit shit but the alternative is shitter isn’t an excuse to ignore what this Labour Party is currently doing.

We now have a right wing Labour Party in power with an even further right opposition.

Let’s call it for what it is, fucking garbage.

Genuine question but given you are right wing aren't you quite happy with the current labour party? It's probably quite similar to the tories 2010-Boris Johnson I'd say.

 

[bluenova]

Genuine question but given you are right wing aren't you quite happy with the current labour party? It's probably quite similar to the tories 2010-Boris Johnson I'd say.

The Tories in 2010 were committed to shrinking the size of the state for ideological reasons.

You can argue that Labour has had quite a ruthless start, but they've been quite clear that by the end of the Parliament they want the state to have achieved a lot more in terms of the NHS, housing, net zero etc.

The 2010- government were also keen to strip back some of the improvements to employee rights that had come in under New Labour. In comparison, the General Secretary of the TUC said the current Governments plans were the "first time in a generation that workers' rights have been taken seriously". New Labour obviously made some big improvements (NMW, holidays, parental leave, childcare, unfair dismissal, etc.), but the plans that were announced recently are night and day in comparison with the Osborne/Cameron years.

 

[meltonblue]

Is that any worse than the Starmer Streeting plan?

You don’t want to see benefits being cut but wouldn’t mind us getting rid of free healthcare…?!

 

[BigJoe#1]

You don’t want to see benefits being cut but wouldn’t mind us getting rid of free healthcare…?!

Not my decision to make.