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BigJoe#1 said:
Oh I forgot to mention that I need to drop Starmer a line to thank him for reducing my motor insurance this year... down from £345.04 down to £249.88.

Keep up the good work Keir.
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Well it's not that long ago you actually were blaming Labour for things like your car insurance going up. I assume you now accept that not to be the case? Good, you see, coming on BM has educated you. Now, let's deal with all the other nonsense you come out with.
 
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BigJoe#1 said:
Thank the Lord we have Labour eh? Mind you the lower insurance premiums are nationwide meaning it's got nothing to do with 20mph limits.

Praise be to Keir.
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"In June 2024, insurer esure reported that vehicle damage claims in Wales fell by 20% following the introduction of the default 20mph limit. The company estimated that a nationwide rollout of such zones could save drivers approximately £50 annually on motor insurance."
 
BigJoe#1 said:
My "irrational hatred" for Starmer is easily eclipsed by yours and other posters irrational logic that I am a Farage fan.... It's just great to know I have quality stalkers that cannot resist wheelling out the same old pointless crap.

Pointless you might ask.... well at no point (stalker no.1 off to check as is his want) have I ever pledged allegiance to Farage, it's just the historic record and performance of Labour and ories that push me that way...

Still if you guys get a lovely warm glow and a superiority complex from talking absolute rubbish, then I am really glad to be of service to you.

Have a nice day.
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Not sure what’s irrational about looking at the fact you’re going to vote Reform and also that your outlook mirrors a lot of Reform talking points. It’s not that irrational to put two and two together and come to the conclusion you support Farage. What’s more irrational is your nonsense about only voting Reform because Labour and the Tories made you and you really don’t like Farage. It’s either irrational or cowardly because you’re scared to admit it in case people think you’re a twat. Bit late for that now.
 
west didsblue said:
Not sure what’s irrational about looking at the fact you’re going to vote Reform and also that your outlook mirrors a lot of Reform talking points. It’s not that irrational to put two and two together and come to the conclusion you support Farage. What’s more irrational is your nonsense about only voting Reform because Labour and the Tories made you and you really don’t like Farage. It’s either irrational or cowardly because you’re scared to admit it in case people think you’re a twat. Bit late for that now.
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Not sure about BJ1 but I’ve found that the few Reform voters I know were Farage followers and the Brexit party. Surely Joe wouldn’t have been a Brexit voter, knowing how much Wales would lose in EU subsidies.
 
west didsblue said:
He does set himself up!
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Nothing to do with Welsh Labours 20mph speed limit..... its all down to Keir the wonder man


LONDON, January 15, 2025 — Comprehensive car insurance premiums have decreased by 16% (£161) during the last 12 months. UK motorists are now paying £834 on average, according to the latest Confused.com Car Insurance Price Index in association with WTW (NASDAQ: WTW), a leading global advisory, broking and solutions company.

This is the biggest annual percentage decrease since 2014 and follows a two-year-long upward trajectory in prices from 2021 to 2023, according to the longest established and most comprehensive car insurance price index in the UK. Car insurance premiums have now fallen for four consecutive quarters following price drops of 5% (£54) in the first three months of 2024, 6% (£59) in the second quarter and 2% in the third quarter.

Drivers in Manchester and Merseyside saw the largest percentage decrease in the cost of comprehensive car insurance,

it's all here

www.wtwco.com

UK car insurance premiums see biggest annual fall in over 10 years

UK drivers are now paying £834 for their car insurance, 16% (£161) less than a year ago, according to new data from WTW and Confused.com
www.wtwco.com www.wtwco.com

you don't half set yourself up.....
 
BigJoe#1 said:
The best of a very bad bunch, where the two main protagonists have failed spectacularly over the last twenty years...You do know the definition of madness don't you? Madness is to keep doing (voting) the same thing (voting Labour or Tories) and expecting a different result (outcome)

So in a two horse race you think the Tories or Labour are better then fine, vote for them if you must and show the world that you're mad.
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You do know you only vote for your local MP, don't you? I can't change the government.
But anyway...Reform is the worst of ANY bunch. Kids in school could put up more meaningful policies than Farage. It's the party for thickos full of hate. Same as MAGA.
 
BigJoe#1 said:
Nothing to do with Welsh Labours 20mph speed limit..... its all down to Keir the wonder man


LONDON, January 15, 2025 — Comprehensive car insurance premiums have decreased by 16% (£161) during the last 12 months. UK motorists are now paying £834 on average, according to the latest Confused.com Car Insurance Price Index in association with WTW (NASDAQ: WTW), a leading global advisory, broking and solutions company.

This is the biggest annual percentage decrease since 2014 and follows a two-year-long upward trajectory in prices from 2021 to 2023, according to the longest established and most comprehensive car insurance price index in the UK. Car insurance premiums have now fallen for four consecutive quarters following price drops of 5% (£54) in the first three months of 2024, 6% (£59) in the second quarter and 2% in the third quarter.

Drivers in Manchester and Merseyside saw the largest percentage decrease in the cost of comprehensive car insurance,

it's all here

www.wtwco.com

UK car insurance premiums see biggest annual fall in over 10 years

UK drivers are now paying £834 for their car insurance, 16% (£161) less than a year ago, according to new data from WTW and Confused.com
www.wtwco.com www.wtwco.com

you don't half set yourself up.....
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That makes your moan in the Spring look even more stupid then. But then going off your performance this week, you're usually about 6 months behind on news.

Have you considered that one of the reasons may well be a bigger up take of 20mph limits nationwide? The whole town here is now 20mph.

also

"Lower levels of inflation and sustained reduced motor claims frequency in 2024 allowed insurers to continue to drop rates for consumers"

Could the reduction of claims be partly attributable to lower speed incidents?
 
BigJoe#1 said:
Corrected for you.

Your opinion, which is fair enough but you don't know what would drive other people to vote for any party..... the polls tell us we have a lot of unintelligent people the country.
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The average reading age in the UK (after 15 years of Tory / Gove reforms ) Joe is 9 years of age .... lower than Communist Cuba .... barely '' The Sun'' reading ability.


Right wingers don't like an educated population.
 
BigJoe#1 said:
Nothing to do with Welsh Labours 20mph speed limit..... its all down to Keir the wonder man


LONDON, January 15, 2025 — Comprehensive car insurance premiums have decreased by 16% (£161) during the last 12 months. UK motorists are now paying £834 on average, according to the latest Confused.com Car Insurance Price Index in association with WTW (NASDAQ: WTW), a leading global advisory, broking and solutions company.

This is the biggest annual percentage decrease since 2014 and follows a two-year-long upward trajectory in prices from 2021 to 2023, according to the longest established and most comprehensive car insurance price index in the UK. Car insurance premiums have now fallen for four consecutive quarters following price drops of 5% (£54) in the first three months of 2024, 6% (£59) in the second quarter and 2% in the third quarter.

Drivers in Manchester and Merseyside saw the largest percentage decrease in the cost of comprehensive car insurance,

it's all here

www.wtwco.com

UK car insurance premiums see biggest annual fall in over 10 years

UK drivers are now paying £834 for their car insurance, 16% (£161) less than a year ago, according to new data from WTW and Confused.com
www.wtwco.com www.wtwco.com

you don't half set yourself up.....
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Plenty of 20mph zones near me. They’re down to Manchester City Council that happens to be majority Labour.
 
west didsblue said:
Not sure what’s irrational about looking at the fact you’re going to vote Reform and also that your outlook mirrors a lot of Reform talking points. It’s not that irrational to put two and two together and come to the conclusion you support Farage. What’s more irrational is your nonsense about only voting Reform because Labour and the Tories made you and you really don’t like Farage. It’s either irrational or cowardly because you’re scared to admit it in case people think you’re a twat. Bit late for that now.
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Well a few of us on here including you have been here for a while and I can honestly say I have never seen such a conserted effort by a group of posters to get one single voter to change or explain why he is gonna vote for a particular party.

Months have passed
He stated his reasons again and again and again
You lot think he's daft or not telling the truth and have said so again and again.

Is it a coincidence that it's the same people who cannot just let something go,? Day in day out, week in week out, month in month out, year in year out.

If he was gonna change his mind or see the light, sorry your light he would have done so by now. As his vote won't change one fucking thing about his or our lives why not just let it go? What is this need you have?

There's believing you're right, there's trying to impart sense to people there's even room for.a bit of arguing but fuck me let it go. It doesn't get much less significant than one blokes vote on a football forum.
 
hilts said:
I never said ignore but he's not changing his mind and it is getting a bit incessant. Anyhow I will leave you to it.
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We’ve known for months and months he won’t change his mind. We can all tell his a diehard Farage loving Reformer - it’s when he pretends his not that he gets called out.
 
hilts said:
I know but how many times are you gonna do it? It doesn't appear to be working.
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I’ll continually call him out when he is being a duplicitous lying coward and I can be bothered. Not arsed about changing his mind - that was never my intention. If he wants to vote for Reform then good for him - but when he says he’s voting for them to give Labour a kicking and that he doesn’t actually like Reform then his full of shit and deserves being pulled up.
 
hilts said:
I never said ignore but he's not changing his mind and it is getting a bit incessant. Anyhow I will leave you to it.
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He is quite an odd poster to be fair, in that I asked him a couple of months ago what policies he wanted to see implemented and it aligned a lot more with left wing parties than Reform, I asked him to try a who should I vote for questionnaire to see what the results showed but I don’t think he did it.

You’re right he’s not changing his mind though and he’s perfectly entitled not to, I get why people challenge his position too though as it is contrary to say the least.

Does make me wonder how many other reform voters think similarly as im not sure how people can combat that.
 
hilts said:
I know but how many times are you gonna do it? It doesn't appear to be working.
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My issue with him is that there is NEVER anything constructive to say-ever, it's all sniping. He started with Labour in Wales has to go, that progressed to blaming Labour nationally for everything from his car insurance going up (it actually went down) and being personally worse off. When challenged there is/was no evidence to show that is the case, and that applies to more recent examples. He also claimed his intention to vote Reform was nothing more than a protest vote, but I'm not sure a floating voter makes that decision 4 years out from a GE.

It would be really easy to just ignore him but as you say it's a footy forum and if someone spouts contradictory and false rhetoric then why shouldn't other posters( and it's clearly not just me) challenge him on it? The usual lack of response or ability to defend his position strengthens the "sniper" analogy.

You and I don't often see eye to eye but at least we both try to have a constructive debate when necessary, I think.

You're right that he won't change his mind, but if nothing else, being challenged may sow a seed that a right wing populist party may seem a good idea on paper but will do nothing for the good of the UK. Every vote wil count as we have seen in Runcorn with Pochin.

PS. And his username sours my memories of a childhood hero. ;-)
 
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meltonblue said:
He is quite an odd poster to be fair, in that I asked him a couple of months ago what policies he wanted to see implemented and it aligned a lot more with left wing parties than Reform, I asked him to try a who should I vote for questionnaire to see what the results showed but I don’t think he did it.

You’re right he’s not changing his mind though and he’s perfectly entitled not to, I get why people challenge his position too though as it is contrary to say the least.

Does make me wonder how many other reform voters think similarly as im not sure how people can combat that.
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There will be people of all persuasions who think what they think, let's take it away from reform and politics for a second as there is an obsession with them on here.

I was talking to a Newcastle fan on Fruday, like the guy always chat to Newcastle with him. Anyhow I said don't sell Izak to Liverpool please with a smile on my face, he then goes on about the big boys closed shop, how city helped create it.
When he mentioned the premier league are in cahoots with us and are just awaiting a bigger blown envelope i tried to explain to him the stupidity in his reasoning.

I mentioned how before newcaste got taken over he was of the opinion City shouldn't be able to spend big because of the owners. He now thinks it unfair they can't

I told him about the red tops, he just shrugged

I said Newcastle voted for PSR, nothing.

I said you think the premier league and city had a plan that we would take years and both would spend a fortune just for us to secretly give them money,? Why?

I mentioned the letter from the other clubs, the directors meeting of Liverpool United and arsenal.

After all this he just said It's all corrupt ie city, I was getting pretty fucking annoyed here because I've always made an effort with him and he never mentions us winning or congratulates us on a trophy.

It's a shame because away from footy he's sound but now im at the point where i think he's just a fucking biased dick who chooses to believe anything that suits.

I'm afraid that's human beings and I think there are plenty on here who are like that from all.politucal persuasions. I think frustration because someone won't see a point of view is rife on here. Anyhow this topic has run its course.

I hope Newcastle get relegated :-)
 
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hampshireblue said:
My issue with him is that there is NEVER anything constructive to say-ever, it's all sniping. He started with Labour in Wales has to go, that progressed to blaming Labour nationally for everything from his car insurance going up (it actually went down) and being personally worse off. When challenged there is/was no evidence to show that is the case, and that applies to more recent examples. He also claimed his intention to vote Reform was nothing more than a protest vote, but I'm not sure a floating voter makes that decision 4 years out from a GE.

It would be really easy to just ignore him but as you say it's a footy forum and if someone spouts contradictory and false rhetoric then why shouldn't other posters( and it's clearly not just me) challenge him on it? The usual lack of response or ability to defend his position strengthens the "sniper" analogy.

You and I don't often see eye to eye but at least we both try to have a constructive debate when necessary, I think.

You're right that he won't change his mind, but if nothing else being challenged may sow a seed that a right wing populist party may seem a good idea on paper but will do nothing for the good of the UK. Every vote wil count as we have seen in Runcorn with Pochin.

PS. And his username sours my memories of a childhood hero. ;-)
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Fair points, the forum would be better if everyone answered posts honestly and conceded a bit more..
 
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