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Would you be happy if City joined this European Super League?

  • Yes

    Votes: 109 5.3%
  • No

    Votes: 1,954 94.7%

  • Total voters
    2,063
In 30 years in the private sector I've been involved in a number of product launches. I've seen some crackers but I've witnessed some fucking stinkers, but in all my years I've never seen a product launch stinkier than this.

This thing is dead on arrival.

The clubs with the most debt (Real and Barca) have panicked then whipped up this money making bullshit idea, sold it as a dream to the franchise-obsessed American owners (hence Liverpool, Utd being at the forefront) and they’ve lapped it up.

All this without actually having a real plan on what the league itself is. He’s doing an interview talking about what they might do. They’ve shaken football and its roots to the core and they don’t even have a plan yet? The debt-ridden clubs have heard the Americans say yes and rushed it through before they can backtrack (not saying they would, pricks).

It’s disgusting and ridiculous in equal measure.
 
I've had a season ticket for 30 years but won't be spending another penny with the club unless and until this decision is reversed.

We're dispensable I'm afraid. For every one of us there are 10 "supporters" in China and America who will pay their TV subscriptions and buy merchandise. That's the most lucrative market now and what this decision is based on.
They are betting you're dispensable. Up to you -- and all of us -- to prove to them that you aren't.

Speaking as one of those " "supporters" " (double quotes intended) who fell in love with club during Keegan and makes it (or made it, pre-COVID) out to Manchester as often as I can/could afford to, I am not at all sure ultimately what I am going to do. I am a "legacy fan"; not sure about a "fan of the future."
 
This reminds me of Kerry Packer who tried this with cricket but it didn't work out. If this goes ahead who would get the tv rights and would it be another subscription to fleece us.? The pundits are up in arms now but would they take their thirty pieces of silver?
Club TV subscriptions?
 
This reminds me of Kerry Packer who tried this with cricket but it didn't work out. If this goes ahead who would get the tv rights and would it be another subscription to fleece us.? The pundits are up in arms now but would they take their thirty pieces of silver?

I’m sure plenty of people who oppose the format currently will be swayed in the near future for one reason or another. There will be a multi million pound charm offensive already in process designed by people who are expert at convincing others to get on board with whatever agenda they are pursuing
 
The patronising and superior fucking attitude of Liverpool, it's supporters and players would have been summed up perfectly by this photo. However, our name should be up their on that slogan along with Man United , Arsenal and the rest of the money grabbing bastards and the word 'owner' should be inserted. Quite clear that fans, laymen, managers, players , in essence 99% of people would like to see this proposal dropped. Open competition available to all clubs, with consequences for failure is what 'sport' is all about. The system isn't perfect at the moment, we all know that FFP was designed as a barrier to becoming successful disguised as a prevention to the 'richest club wins'. FFP will be changed because it prevents investment. The obvious issue written fucking large for everyone to see is that football has a problem with OWNERS caring absolutely nothing about the game or its fans. The same greed and corruption charges can be levelled at UEFA but i'd much rather have a UEFA proposal for ALL clubs accepted or rejected than have a few think they'll go it alone. All clubs are in a financial mess the world over (China may be an exception) following a global pandemic. People have had a lot more things to worry about than football, we are all suffering and a lot have lost loved ones. We will get out of this together. It sickens me to see 'vaccine wars', and people step on others - 'i'm all right Jack' is the message the Super League proposal sends. Fuck the rest of the smaller clubs, we'll throw you some crumbs when we want. I really thought our owners would have the honesty and integrity and bottle to reject the Super League proposal, sadly not. Do i continue to brainwash my 18 month grandson into believing City is the club to support above all others? I have my doubts.
 

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The clubs with the most debt (Real and Barca) have panicked then whipped up this money making bullshit idea, sold it as a dream to the franchise-obsessed American owners (hence Liverpool, Utd being at the forefront) and they’ve lapped it up.

All this without actually having a real plan on what the league itself is. He’s doing an interview talking about what they might do. They’ve shaken football and its roots to the core and they don’t even have a plan yet? The debt-ridden clubs have heard the Americans say yes and rushed it through before they can backtrack (not saying they would, pricks).

It’s disgusting and ridiculous in equal measure.
Yeah and we've gone along with it !
 
It's just too much to take in such a short period of time.
The sport I've loved since childhood becomes less and less of a sport. VAR ruined much of it, the pandemic took away the one most important thing in football, - the fans, - and now this. The values and the spirit of the sport are gone.

Is the sport dying?
 
To add to the tidal wave of opinion...

City have absolutely ridden the wave to the upper echelon of European football under the auspices of a Middle Eastern investment fund run, for all intents and purposes, by the rulers of Abu Dhabi.

That said, at almost every turn, they have conducted themselves above reprpoach, with the fans and the Community at the centre of their plans.

Yesterday, that stopped.

At the European level, ESL is a flagrant desire, by what can only be considered the richest clubs in football, to close the door on ANY other club EVER becoming what we have become.

We felt hard done to as UEFA and the ECA sought to exclude us, up to and including our exclusion from their premier tournament. This is that...but to almost every other club in Europe.

At the domestic level, we have literally said we are better, regardless of competitive merit, than 14 other clubs in the current Premier League...or ever in the Premier League. The irony is watching Leeds, a team with far more European history than us not only beat us and take 4 of 6 points, but hold Liverpool to a draw TODAY to keep them out of the Top 6, and barely in the Top 6 TODAY!!!

As Neville said, like United, City are a club built upon the humble and modest beginnings of a church providing a place for working men to go. We have gone through many iterations of the club, most of which have been playing second fiddle to the well run clubs in England. With the move to the COMS, we started a new era, but the foundation of the club..local fans...remained, even though success on the pitch was still out of our grasp.

After a succession of owners seemingly unprepared or incapable of waking the sleeping giant, along came Sheikh Mansour and a cheque book that was open for business. Other clubs had done this before, albeit quieter and behind the scenes, but City were being “in your face“ and unwilling to apologize for splashing the cash to catch up to the Sky Four, thus they became an easy mark for the ethnic slurs and outright racist sentiments associated with our ownership.

Meanwhile, the fans continued to pay their hard earned money (more and more of it every year) to see their club play. The ownership continued to invest in the club. Results followed and it ruffled feathers, both domestically and, more importantly, within UEFA.

Ten years later, after much handwringing and a few legal cases, City were exonerated for their investments (ironic, especially against the backdrop of massive debt loads of other “traditional” European giants) and the on field success led to City being seen as one of the new giants in European football, having finally (and without fear of reprisal) followed their nose into the tent, and become an integral part of the Champions League.

City fans, though, have always sat ill at ease with UEFA and the CL, because of our treatment and the realization that it was being run by our sporting foes in a manner designed to harm our competitiveness...both on the field and off it.

We boo the UEFA anthem, we despise their hypocrisy in denigrating a debt free, cash rich club, while propping up the old, traditional European football powers who haven’t seen success in years.

In recent years, UEFA has continued to tinker with the Champions League in an attempt to assist those old, traditional powers...who just happen to sit on the Executive Board of the organization...in their attempts to restore their clubs to past glories all at the expense of new, vibrant, upcoming clubs such as Dortmund, the Red Bull teams, Atalanta, and the likes of City and even Leicester.

While all of this is going on in the Staff Room, no-one seems to have thought about the kids on the playground, who are the entire reason for there being staff needed at all!

From here, it remains to be seen how these two behemoths of European football are going to both clash and, thereafter, settle out. Currently, it feels like it is a seismic shift in football, but I don’t see it that way.

We have seen “SUPER leagues” developed in other sports, but how that translates to such a foundational, culturally significant sport as football in England remains to be seen.

To be quite honest, I think an ESL could be a success, IF it is tweaked, but that seems unlikely at present. Unless they are completely tone deaf, they will understand that it needs to be based on domestic success EVERY SEASON, not some current and forever notion of being the “big clubs” in their country and in a perfect world, would include the top X number of teams from each top footballing country, with a mix of top teams from other countries and....oh wait...that’s the Champions League!?!

To me, there are big egos and big names aligned on the different sides of what is going to become gladiatorial fight. There is clearly PLENTY OF MONEY TO GO AROUND, but it also appears clear that the top clubs in Europe believe UEFA is siphoning off “their” money, while trying to expand the number of clubs at the trough, which is diluting the competition and also flogging the players unnecessarily.

There is an obvious solution, at least to me, and that is a two-tier CL competition, separated by the Christmas Break. Phase I would be the free for all UEFA seems to want, where more clubs are included, with Phase II being the stage where the big clubs...dare I say ACTUAL Champions and the top #2 teams...enter the fray with the top 4/6/8 teams from Phase I.

Easy peasy, which means there’s no chance it comes to pass! Maybe they could put the Champions AND Champions from prior season into Phase II if you’re looking for some legacy slant to it? Doubtful when you see SIX team from England, THREE from Spain and Italy, and who knows who the other THREE might be?

Whatever they ultimately decide to do, it MUST RESPECT THE FANS, and to this point, both the new CL format AND the ESL fail that acid test!
Don't agree with every last bit but great post.........
 
We don’t know our motivation because our execs have gone to ground and we have to rely on Glazer’s comments on our website for our information. Quite shocking. What we do know is that it’s a closed shop, and nobody else can join it. Ten years ago we would have been outside looking in. Sporting competition is gone. So what’s the point in playing 38 exhibition matches and dumping our domestic cups and possibly even league.
Agreed. Exactly what I am wrestling with.
 

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