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Would you be happy if City joined this European Super League?

  • Yes

    Votes: 109 5.3%
  • No

    Votes: 1,954 94.7%

  • Total voters
    2,063
I think the potential of Newcastle is overstated. No way that area is competing for top players against Manchester and London (and by extension Madrid, Barcelona, etc). Even we struggle sometimes on this front. FFP will limit their ability to compensate with wages, which probably limits them to being a solid Europa league club at best.
Indeed. Kevin Keegan struggled to persuade some players to join Newcastle because of their location. He signed Rob Lee from Charlton. Earlier Lee had turned down a move to Middlesbrough on the grounds that they were too far from London.

Keegan said “I told him Newcastle was nearer to London and he believed me!” It is certainly quicker by rail and possibly by road.
 
what a load of bollox.

if I make an allegation that you are a murderer then you wouldn’t have anything to be cleared of. So technically you are a murderer.

we were cleared of FFP.

Just because some bitter sods make an allegation doesn’t mean its true, we would all be in a lot of trouble if that were the case.
I don't think your post reads quite as you intended it to.
 
I think the potential of Newcastle is overstated. No way that area is competing for top players against Manchester and London (and by extension Madrid, Barcelona, etc). Even we struggle sometimes on this front. FFP will limit their ability to compensate with wages, which probably limits them to being a solid Europa league club at best.
Live in Newcastle for 30 plus years it’s a hidden gem
 
I think they are sponsored by Qatar Airways and usually go to Qatar for their training camps.
In that case, there are two other UAE funded clubs in Super League besides City : Real Madrid and Arsenal.

Both sponsored by Emirates and got funds for stadium by UAE.

Bayern don't get enough money from Qatar to be swayed in favour or against the Super League. It is a 15-20 M sponsoring against a 300 M project.

They chose not to accept because they felt it wouldn't work and expected the backlash. Note that Dortmund refused too. German clubs couldn't get away with that with their football culture.

PSG wouldn't be able to pull it off in France either. Remember that for political gain, Hollande had introduced an high tax for high income even for French clubs. It cost PSG a bit of money. The government and the football federation would have buried PSG alive. PSG don't own the stadium and there would be call for the municipality to put pressure on that topic.

Anyway, it is very nice from the cartel clubs to have left their position of power in european bodies. Hope it backfires in the future and they lose influence.
 
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City have been nothing more than a pawn. Uefa v Cartel to determine who holds the corrupt power in football. The clubs good name has been dragged through the mud.

We really are alone in this fight.
Which can make things difficult...but also means we can act with freedom and expedience.
Khaldoon and co. have known this for a long time and they are both sharp and confident enough to not let it worry us.
 
The problem with a percentage cap is that it benefits those with the highest revenue. Which is probably one of the factors that caused us to withdraw from the ESL as they had proposed a 55% cap on wages and net spending so if we were getting less money than United or Liverpool, then we're at an immediate disadvantage.

Whereas in the NFL for example, there's a fixed cap. Think it's $182.5m this coming season. But the NFL do revenue differently as they negotiate not just TV deals but kit deals and major commercial deals. These get shared equally among the 32 teams. There's other revenue streams, including their own local commercial deals, tickets, the food & drink concessions, parking and other things that they can keep for themselves. So there's still a financial discrepancy between the top and lowest earning teams but that doesn't matter as they all have to abide by the same absolute cap.

As a result, Dallas Cowboys are the highest earners by a mile and, without the cap would win the Superbowl every year. But because of the cap, they've not won it for 25 years. So I've come round to the idea of a similar system here, with central kit and commercial deals negotiated by the PL and a fixed cap.

I'd also abolish the current method of transfer fees but have clubs pay off the contract of a player they want to sign. But that payment is included in the cap (although it can be spread out over the life of the contract).

Then we really will have financial fair play.
Sensible ideas, and it’ll be surprising to many that it comes from US sport... of course, over there these rules ensure the owners can keep the lion’s share of the profits. It’d be good if we could find a way for the excess profits such a scheme would generate to find their way into grass routes and school sports, as well as the rest of the football pyramid.

Fans of the big clubs (now including us!) would need to get used to finishing bottom every now and then. We’ve got recent memories of how that is, but I wonder what utd and Liverpool fans would make of it? The only problem is - why would the big clubs agree to it? Could such as system ever be introduced in leagues with promotion and relegation? I doubt it, sadly.
 
So we are now left in a position where our greatest enemies, the Qatari clubs Bayern and PSG have their executives taking the roles left by Woodward, Agnelli et all. If we’d have left it at least one of those positions would of been filled by Khaldoon/Soriano.

Great work City.
But then they might have found another club in our place and that club may not have been as keen to pull out as we were. That being the case, if the Superleague had got going, we really would have missed the boat and the greedy clubs would have been out of sight again. We were really between a rock and a hard place and the outcome, although not perfect, might be as close to the best we could expect under the circumstances.
 
I suspect once we were out of the CL/PL, they'd have found a way to rid themselves of City and Chelsea altogether slowly but surely.

They'd achieve that by reducing the proportion of money both us and Chelsea received as it was completely in favour of the clubs with positions of authority in the ESL from the very start of its brief existence.

When you look at who was running it you find it almost impossible to comprehend why we signed up to it.
 
They'd achieve that by reducing the proportion of money both us and Chelsea received as it was completely in favour of the clubs with positions of authority in the ESL from the very start of its brief existence.
Yes.
When you look at who was running it you find it almost impossible to comprehend why we signed up to it.
I can see why we signed up, it was because of the 75% voting thing in the PL, if we didn't, and it went ahead and was successful, we were on the losing side financially. By being on the inside, the other PL clubs couldn't force all 6 clubs out, as they didn't have enough votes, so it was better to be in, as we retained the PL, and replaced the CL with the SL.

We then realised by pulling out, we screwed the others in the PL as they (assuming we voted with the other PL sides) didn't have enough votes with 5 to make 75%, and they could have been kicked out, and if the SL failed they were done for, hence we all pulled out quickly.

Whatever happens from here, City wanted more influence, either with UEFA, or any other thing that comes along. I'm not sure we have achieved that either, perhaps we have with UEFA's president, but not with the ECA, and in the PL by even agreeing to join, we have lost any trust with the other 14 clubs, and the other 5 are enemies anyway.
 
I think the potential of Newcastle is overstated. No way that area is competing for top players against Manchester and London (and by extension Madrid, Barcelona, etc). Even we struggle sometimes on this front. FFP will limit their ability to compensate with wages, which probably limits them to being a solid Europa league club at best.
Agree100%. They’ve been in it before and then fucked it up. Why couldn’t they sustain it then if they were such an attractive prospect?
 
I don't think we had the same luxury that Bayern or PSG had, as nobody else from Germany or France had signed up they weren't about to be displaced. I sill cant understand how there could be 6 English clubs in a super league the ratio's were all to cock. The impression that I get from everything I have read is that they needed us more than they actually wanted us. Lets remember it was going to be 15 fixed members with 5 invites. Lets assume that Bayern, Dortmund and PSG all agreed to join that would be the 15 clubs with 6 teams from England. No teams outside of England, Spain, Italy, France & Germany. Suppose they could get an Ajax or Shaktar involved to bring in Holland and Russian interest and they wanted to drop down to 5 English clubs. Which of the 6 would the Rags, Dippers, Arsenal, Barca, Madrid, Juve want to miss out on the riches they would all get?
I suspect we know who, and maybe this is why we signed up although we had reservations.
Why 6 PL clubs in the 15 founding members ?

Just take a look at the most rich european clubs. You'll find exactly the dirty 12 + Dortmund, Bayern and PSG. The only exception being Sait Petesburg being replaced by mighty Milan AC.

This is why. It was just a cartel of the powerful clubs.
 
Perez being an absolute **** saying all six clubs have signed a binding contract, I knew he'd make it so difficult to leave and why oh fucking why did we sign up to this shit. Whoever agreed to it at City needs to go, I still can't get my head around why we did it with the bastard clubs involved, they wanted to ruin us. Jump off a cliff Perez you fucking arsehole.
 

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