He was in an offside position the second the ball was played as it ran through to him and he continued to run.I think he should have been called offside, but that doesn't mean it isn't a subjective decision.
Being in an offside position, or a ball crossing a line, are objective decisions. They are straight yes/no decisions.
The very fact that people are disagreeing about this suggests it's subjective. I think in Rashford's case it crosses the threshold for an offence, but if I wanted to I could easily make a case for him being onside based on the exact rules you've just posted.
A very good point indeed.All I'm hearing was var couldn't get involved because it was a subjective decision and not a straight forward offside
What people don't realise is the first decision was offside not a goal. So when they say the on field decision should stay then its offside.
For me the ref changed the decision knowing var couldn't get involved
Couldn’t agree more, I’d also add people being deceived by wording such as ‘subjective’ we’ve seen it in the past with other buzz words such as ‘contact’ whenever multiple persons on the same gravy train starting using the same terminology I always ask myself who stands to gain? 99 times out of hundred it’s the rags dippers PL PGMOL & UEFAThe rules are quite clear and he impacted on the ability of an opponent (in this case more than one) to play the ball.
The only ones I can see disagreeing with this are a handful of biased Rags like Camelgob, Attwell himself and a handful of his PGMOL cronies trying to protect their mate and their place on the gravy train.
When a better footballing side than City go on to win the league fair and square, then I will accept that they are true champions.Agreed. But in the era of VAR, it is becoming even more obvious (and brazen). And I still maintain it has escalated based on a desperation to find any way to have a different league winner.
Or United…The worst thing about this whole debacle could come at the end of the season if we finish a point behind Arsenal.
Yes, I was one that desperately wanted VAR so that the more subjective decisions would have a higher level of scrutiny and higher likelihood of being judged correctly. But that was under the assumption they wouldn’t have the “clear and obvious error” threshold, which essentially expands the freedom of interpretation on the pitch (and ability to manipulate, even if it is not always used), rather than half it.Its subjective. Which is the way pigmol want it. Pre var it WAS black and white, a straight forward decision.
I do think VAR is confusing things to the point that they can award what they like.
The silence from PIGMOL is fucking deafening!Yes, I was one that desperately wanted VAR so that the more subjective decisions would have a higher level of scrutiny and higher likelihood of being judged correctly. But that was under the assumption they wouldn’t have the “clear and obvious error” threshold, which essentially expands the freedom of interpretation on the pitch (and ability to manipulate, even if it is not always used), rather than half it.
That threshold means that ‘subjective’ decisions (which in reality are most of those made by officials) are now just as varied from official-to-official, match-to-match. Except now they have this “technical” apparatus to legitimise whatever the decision is in that instance, however farcical.
Subjective isn't a buzzword. It's the difference between a decision that is absolute - whether a ball crosses a line, and one which is based on judgement.Couldn’t agree more, I’d also add people being deceived by wording such as ‘subjective’ we’ve seen it in the past with other buzz words such as ‘contact’ whenever multiple persons on the same gravy train starting using the same terminology I always ask myself who stands to gain? 99 times out of hundred it’s the rags dippers PL PGMOL & UEFA
It is much worse nowadays because VAR is supposed to stop this sort of cheating. We have been told repeatedly that VAR checks every single goal. We have seen numerous instances of goals beng chalked off because players were offside in the build-up, sometimes minutes earlier. Atwell, who was back near the half way, line overruled the linesman who had a perfect view of the incident from about 15 yards away. He didn't even check the monitor. So what was Michael Oliver (the VAR official) doing? All this happened in a packed stadium with no big screen and no messages to the 73,000 fans. They must think we are fucking stupid.Agreed. But in the era of VAR, it is becoming even more obvious (and brazen). And I still maintain it has escalated based on a desperation to find any way to have a different league winner.
Do you think Buzzer, would have said the same,/ !He was, defies belief. No backbone whatsoever
Agreed. If Rashford had pulled up and stepped aside earlier in his run but Fernandez had still scored you could have held a "subjective" debate about whether or not he was interfering with play. But the camera shows that he shielded the ball for about 20 yards, dummied as if to shoot (wrong-footing Ederson), and then pulled to the side (still blocking Akanji) to enable Fernandez to score. No weasel words from anyone can dispute Rashford was interfering. I want to know what the VAR team said. Even Ten Hag suggested it should have been disallowed.He was in an offside position the second the ball was played as it ran through to him and he continued to run.
The rules are quite clear and he impacted on the ability of an opponent (in this case more than one) to play the ball.
The only ones I can see disagreeing with this are a handful of biased Rags like Camelgob, Attwell himself and a handful of his PGMOL cronies trying to protect their mate and their place on the gravy train.
It is when it’s used by ex refs reds and PGMOL. It shouldn’t be down to judgement when deciding whether Rashford interfered with play, it’s a fact according to their own rules, subjection is then used by the ref as to whether he applies those rules, you could argue he has failed in his duty, a sackable offence in most industries, the subjective argument is then used as a smoke & mirror tactic to deflect, and make it seem that it fell in to some kind of grey area. In your opinion, does Geoff Hursts famous goal in 66 fall under subjective or absolute?Subjective isn't a buzzword. It's the difference between a decision that is absolute - whether a ball crosses a line, and one which is based on judgement.
Whatever you think of the Rashford decision, please don't try and argue that the English language is now a conspiracy theory ;)
Doesn’t bare thinking about, if the situation dictates we should gift Arsenal 6 points in return for safe passage in the FA cup. Fight corruption with corruptionOr United…
Var does my head in. I know it's for the best but it's taken the sport backwards with the microscopic analysis.Yes, I was one that desperately wanted VAR so that the more subjective decisions would have a higher level of scrutiny and higher likelihood of being judged correctly. But that was under the assumption they wouldn’t have the “clear and obvious error” threshold, which essentially expands the freedom of interpretation on the pitch (and ability to manipulate, even if it is not always used), rather than half it.
That threshold means that ‘subjective’ decisions (which in reality are most of those made by officials) are now just as varied from official-to-official, match-to-match. Except now they have this “technical” apparatus to legitimise whatever the decision is in that instance, however farcical.
This is obviously not a likely scenario at this point, and I may be in the minority on this, but if we’re effectively out of the title race (for whatever reason), and the race for top spot is between Arsenal and United, I would want to to make sure they get 3 points at ours on 26 April.Doesn’t bare thinking about, if the situation dictates we should gift Arsenal 6 points in return for safe passage in the FA cup. Fight corruption with corruption
No chance of that happening. Arsenal beat us in the FA Cup semi final in controversial circumstances in Pep's first season in chargeDoesn’t bare thinking about, if the situation dictates we should gift Arsenal 6 points in return for safe passage in the FA cup. Fight corruption with corruption
Knowing full well when everything has died down they'll come back and shaft us royally again..We'll have to wait and see what games Attwell is going to officiate in the next couple of weeks. If he's given some top PL game to ref then it's a clear "fuck you" to City.
If he's put on the back burner or given some shit FA Cup tie, this is an obvious sign PIGMOL know they messed it up badly.