The worst thing about farcical officiating

hammocity said:
As someone who worked in the Gambling industry for 30 years I can assure you there’s very little chance of any irregularities going on in England’s top flight (and most other leagues in the UK) football.
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May as well ask as well.. What counts as an irregularity to you then? And why doesn't it apply to Luca Tony? Or Andros Townsend.. Or Cameron jerome...? Or Joey Barton? Or dimichelis? Or granite Xhaka? Or Trippier?

What exactly did you do in the gambling industry...? PR?
 
Tubes26 said:
No you're cool I don't mind what you say, that's fine... I do have speculation yeah, have I said it's something else...?

I respect you're knowledge, but saying no-one in the PL has any incentive to cheat... not really credible.. Saying it doesn't happen is one thing.. but saying they have no incentive is wrong.

I'm not sure if you're saying I have no inside knowledge because you thought I was claiming to..? Or?

What is it you want evidence for? What was a claim I made?
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It’s just the realities of finance and the Premier League and as previously mentioned there’s very little either way, (punters and Bookmakers). If a bookmaker had a certain piece of inside knowledge that would naturally lead them to offering false odds on an event, the shrewd pro punters would pick up on this and bet against it with another bookmaker who would in turn become aware of suspicious activity and alarm bells would ring. It’s not huge money that triggers these alerts. I know the Far East is shady regarding betting but could you imagine a Premier League player on big wages taking a bribe to even give away a throw or a corner to trouser a few quid with the knowledge it could cost him his career? It happened (allegedly) with John Higgins the snooker player who was caught on camera admitting his guilt in a betting scandal, the amount involved was about KDB’s wages for a couple of days, he’s under constant scrutiny and lucky to be still plying his trade.
 
From Pep; "We’re not going to win for the next 25 years everything but we’re going to fight and today we fought and played to win but sometimes football is like that and you don't win,” the boss reflected.
“Of course, we want to try and what I want is to behave in this way and sometimes it happens and sometimes not and I know what we have to do is be better and better and better in this league.
We lost the Carabao Cup, we lost it. But it’s not about losing in the Carabao Cup, it’s the way we lost. I was sad, really, really sad.
Today the way we tried to do it, we were close, we missed a little up front but in general I am satisfied.”
 
hammocity said:
As someone who worked in the Gambling industry for 30 years I can assure you there’s very little chance of any irregularities going on in England’s top flight (and most other leagues in the UK) football.
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You mean within the betting industry itself, not the leagues writ-large?

Because I can assure you, with utmost confidence (on good authority, past and present), that there are absolutely ‘irregularities’ throughout European top flight football.
 
The offside rule changes have done nothing to improve the game. Instead they have made it more unfair to all concerned. Under current rules half a dozen players could be offside but providing they do not touch the ball a seventh player could come through and score. It beggars belief on the stupidity of the games' lawmakers. They need to explain what they are hoping to achieve.
 
hammocity said:
I know the Far East is shady regarding betting but could you imagine a Premier League player on big wages taking a bribe to even give away a throw or a corner to trouser a few quid with the knowledge it could cost him his career?
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No I couldn't imagine that.

Could you imagine a mediocre Premier League player on average wages agreeing to play badly in a specific match with the knowledge it would help their career?

We can play the 'could you imagine' game all day.. but it gets us nowhere..

I still wanna know what you had such a problem with and what you want evidence from me for?
 
SebastianBlue said:
You mean within the betting industry itself, not the leagues writ-large?

Because I can assure you, with utmost confidence (on good authority, past and present), that there are absolutely ‘irregularities’ throughout European top flight football.
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Agree, exhibit A from this last week...
www.sportsjoe.ie

Benfica under investigation for match fixing over five-year period

Benfica are under investigation for match fixing. The charges against them include all of the club's board members from 2016 to 2020.
www.sportsjoe.ie www.sportsjoe.ie
 
Tubes26 said:
May as well ask as well.. What counts as an irregularity to you then? And why doesn't it apply to Luca Tony? Or Andros Townsend.. Or Cameron jerome...? Or Joey Barton? Or dimichelis? Or granite Xhaka? Or Trippier?

What exactly did you do in the gambling industry...? PR?
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Off those you mentioned, it doesn’t mean they’re winning punters, just gamblers like in all walks of life. Emlyn Hughes came across as a nice guy but he used to bet with a friend of mine at his shop in Sheffield, he turned into a nasty fucker when betting, it’s what losing big money does to some people.

Anyway, 10 years William Hill, worked at the Regional office then 20 years for two broadcast companies (SIS/Alphameric). Plenty of liaison with the big betting companies and was involved in liability protection on the EPOS systems, any scandals, and there were a few, were investigated and dealt with so they didn’t happen again. Now it’s far more sophisticated and bribes at a high level for or against the Bookmakers would easily be flagged.
 
Tubes26 said:
May as well ask as well.. What counts as an irregularity to you then? And why doesn't it apply to Luca Tony? Or Andros Townsend.. Or Cameron jerome...? Or Joey Barton? Or dimichelis? Or granite Xhaka? Or Trippier?

What exactly did you do in the gambling industry...? PR?
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the cheating that goes on in the Premier League is nothing to do with the bookies,
it's the powers that run the Premier League and the match officials that give the so called 2 big clubs the advantage when they are struggling and need points or a top 4 place,

I truly believe united last season were relegation level, but got so many dodgy things and pens to win games.
I remember so many games united losing at half-time only to come back and get points,
 
So Dermot Gallagher statement saying var couldn't intervene as it's not a factual error and it's a subjective decision as to whether Rashford interfered with play. What a pile of shite. Every tackle , every shout , which way you spit is subjective, but var looks at these.
I was also under the belief that every goal was checked by var , especially where a player is yards offside chasing a ball down with the linesmans flag raised . Talk sense you stupid old ****
 
SebastianBlue said:
You mean within the betting industry itself, not the leagues writ-large?

Because I can assure you, with utmost confidence (on good authority, past and present), that there are absolutely ‘irregularities’ throughout European top flight football.
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I was only posting about the UK’s top flights and the lack of financial incentive to cheat and the ramifications if they did compared to the remuneration they receive and the penalties for getting caught.
 
Kompany Car said:
Agree, exhibit A from this last week...
www.sportsjoe.ie

Benfica under investigation for match fixing over five-year period

Benfica are under investigation for match fixing. The charges against them include all of the club's board members from 2016 to 2020.
www.sportsjoe.ie www.sportsjoe.ie
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I was thinking of that and some very dubious situations involving Barcelona over the last five years that I have direct knowledge of via the same family friend that alerted me to the financial issues Barca were in well before they became public (I posted about it on here very early on and was met with some skepticism… then it all came out later). At least one incident involving officiating in La Liga is likely being investigated right now.
 
hammocity said:
I was only posting about the UK’s top flights and the lack of financial incentive to cheat and the ramifications if they did compared to the remuneration they receive and the penalties for getting caught.
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I had originally thought you indicated European top flight (presumably the top five leagues), which is why I asked. I misread.

But perhaps I also misunderstood your greater point: are you saying there is no match fixing or manipulation across UK top flight football? Or that betting syndicates are not part of it?
 
invisibleandalone said:
So Dermot Gallagher statement saying var couldn't intervene as it's not a factual error and it's a subjective decision as to whether Rashford interfered with play. What a pile of shite. Every tackle , every shout , which way you spit is subjective, but var looks at these.
I was also under the belief that every goal was checked by var , especially where a player is yards offside chasing a ball down with the linesmans flag raised . Talk sense you stupid old ****
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Dermot Gallagher isn't renowned for his honesty or integrity though, which is why he was employed by PiGMOL in the first instance.
 
SebastianBlue said:
I had originally thought you indicated European top flight (presumably the top five leagues), which is why I asked. I misread.

But perhaps I also misunderstood your greater point: are you saying there is no match fixing or manipulation across UK top flight football? Or that betting syndicates are not part of it?
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There are plenty of Pro punters across Europe with access to UK betting sites but there’s little illegal activity that gets past bookmakers. There is probably some minor infringements at lower level but have a look at this and the amounts involved and how easily the “culprits” were caught.

Courtsiding - Wikipedia

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Colin Bells Boots said:
Dermot Gallagher isn't renowned for his honesty or integrity though, which is why he was employed by PiGMOL in the first instance.
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I think with the way the rules are now every game can be manipulated, favoured for a result, holding in the penalty area, the handball in the box rule, contact in the box, offsides, first phase second phase etc...it can be manipulated, favoured to suit a result and hard to deny the explanation if they find an action to deny/allow a goal, I feel like thet can set up any result they want to happen in tight games. Some things they check some they don't but can be given in some games and not in others...its definitely not an even playing field.
 
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