I Live In A Blue House
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greenfingers said:
Pisses me off too (Greenfingers) Even though I do have a ticket for the final, I feel for the genuine Blues who miss out on the big event.
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Pisses me off too (Greenfingers) Even though I do have a ticket for the final, I feel for the genuine Blues who miss out on the big event.
Bill
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I Live In A Blue House said:greenfingers said:peter.evans said:There are a number of points I would like to raise re the whole issue of cup finals and loyalty points. I will, of course, be banging my head against a brick wall as far as many are concerned, namely those with thousands of points and who are "Alright Jack" and no doubt some will reply in their own inimitable style ! However, consider the following. First of all, and I would be surprised if any blue disagreed, we have the annual argument over ticket allocations. 31,600 tickets is clearly not enough for us and the likes of me have missed out again on getting one largely because of the Wembley annual fiasco where only two thirds of the ground will consist of supporters of either club, or at least two thirds bought via legitimate and fair means. Club Wembley will be half empty and the ground capacity of 90,000 will not be achieved. I reckon at best there will be 85,000 in the stadium with at least 4 or 5,000 empty club wembley seats. I am sure nobody would say this is right. Have City attempted to get some more tickets ? Even with club Wembley out of the equation that still leaves another 10,000 tickets that are either floating around and being sold at four times the price or have been distributed in other ways. Why don't City at least make public their attempts to try and get a couple of thousand more tickets ? Indeed are they trying ? It would be nice if they would let us know ! BTW, I am sure somebody said last season both teams got 33,000 each. So why did we only get 31,600 ? Is that true ?
What concerns me more though is the way City have set up this loyalty points 'system' over the last five years or so. If, like me, you are blue member with a couple of thousand points and for various reason have been unable to attend every game so not in possession of a season ticket, clearly you have no chance of ever getting any kind of cup final ticket. I think this is wrong. I also think the way the whole loyalty points system has been set up is wrong and I will be writing to the club about it. ( BTW I have signed up for a season ticket and am on the waiting list ) My understanding is that the club issues loyalty points for what can often be described as extremely dubious reasons, based around the ability to pay. The club tempts fans with the offer of x hundred points for gold and platinum membership based on increasing revenues and ability to pay, not loyalty of support, it seems to me. They also give hundreds of points for merely being a season ticket holder and a variety of other dubious money making methods, As a result we get a ridiculous situation where some have got thousands more loyalty points than others based on ability to pay rather than loyalty of support over many decades. Hence we get the new type of fan, similar to the post Italia 90 types, who have been regulars since we got taken over or moved to the new stadium and were nowhere near the club when times were hard.
This does not apply to everyone and many blues have been very loyal over many decades.
However, in my case we have a ridiculous situation where my own son, who has had a season ticket for five ish years, has more than double the number of loyalty points that I have and yet I have been to approximately 1000 City matches over more than forty years compared to his 100 matches over 5 or 6 years. How does this happen ? Well ,mainly for the reasons I have already stated where the 'loyalty' points are handed out like confetti a bit like the voting system at the fucking Eurovision song contest. City are wrong over this and the system is totally unjust. It should be based around attending matches, not the ability to pay. Capitalism at its best as personified by MCFC ! In my case I will be writing to the club and demanding to know why I have not been given a good few thousand additional loyalty points for the years I had season tickets at Maine Rd, approximately 20 of them ! I expect them to redress the balance asap ! They must have the records in their systems. No junior should have more loyalty points than those of us who went for many years and had season tickets long before they were born. What pisses fans like me off is that not only will there be thousands of corporate Johnnies who don't support either of the two clubs attending a game that they barely care about, if they can even be arsed to turn up, but also sadly many City fans who really don't deserve to be there either. Or at least, should not be there ahead of some of us who have been going for a lot longer than they have. It leaves a very bad taste as far as I and many others are concerned. Anyway, are you trying to get any more tickets City ?!! PS good luck to the lucky ones who have got tickets and make sure we win it.
I am in complete agreement with you Peter.
What also winds me up is that an Internet search to Buy Capital One Cup Final tickets brings up many Online Touting Sites.
To take just 2 at random -
<a class="postlink" href="http://www.ticket4football.com/capital-one-cup-tickets/9018/9047/capital-one-cup-final---manchester-city-vs-tbc-wembley-stadium-02-march-2014-tickets.aspx?ppc=1" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.ticket4football.com/capital- ... aspx?ppc=1</a>
and
<a class="postlink" href="http://www.livefootballtickets.com/capital-one-cup-final-2014-manchester-city-v-sunderland-tickets/london-15612.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.livefootballtickets.com/capi ... 15612.html</a>
claim to be able to get hold of and sell Tickets in the City end
IE Tickets in Blocks issued to City
The first site has (can get ) 53 Tickets in the City Section (ignoring Club Wembley or Neutral areas) and
The second site OVER 300 Tickets !!!!
Bearing in mind that there are about 10 ONLINE TOUTING SITES
that comes to thousands of Tickets.
Call me naive / unworldly / out of touch / don't know how the system works etc
but if these sites are able to get Tickets in the City Section then the Tickets are only coming from ONE source.
Pisses me off too (Greenfingers) Even though I do have a ticket for the final, I feel for the genuine Blues who miss out on the big event.
we all do, they should fuck the club Wembley shit right off and share the seats between the two teams. we can't however change OUR system because of it. the games are there to go to and points are there to be had.
Wembley is what it is so if you want to go get down to Norwich etc on a cold midweek night. we have.
mancitymick
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It would not surprise me if one day the club do change how tickets are issued.
tiptopcheshireblue
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There has to be some criteria to reward loyality.
I know loads of Sunderland fans, and Sunderland (the city) has gone wembley crazy. Every local wants one, and many think they will miss out.
I dont know what their average attendance is this season in the league or the cups, but they are still vastly over subscribed for a 31000 allocation.
It will be simelar to us against Stoke 3 years ago, when thousands of season ticket holders missed out.
I know loads of Sunderland fans, and Sunderland (the city) has gone wembley crazy. Every local wants one, and many think they will miss out.
I dont know what their average attendance is this season in the league or the cups, but they are still vastly over subscribed for a 31000 allocation.
It will be simelar to us against Stoke 3 years ago, when thousands of season ticket holders missed out.
Paulpowersleftfoot
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tiptopcheshireblue said:There has to be some criteria to reward loyality.
I know loads of Sunderland fans, and Sunderland (the city) has gone wembley crazy. Every local wants one, and many think they will miss out.
I dont know what their average attendance is this season in the league or the cups, but they are still vastly over subscribed for a 31000 allocation.
It will be simelar to us against Stoke 3 years ago, when thousands of season ticket holders missed out.
Would this be the same Sunderland who had a 16000 gate at their fa cup game with tickets at £15 on Saturday?
Excuse me while I don't give a fuck
We are City not Chelsea
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"What concerns me more though is the way City have set up this loyalty points 'system' over the last five years or so. If, like me, you are blue member with a couple of thousand points and for various reason have been unable to attend every game so not in possession of a season ticket, clearly you have no chance of ever getting any kind of cup final ticket. I think this is wrong. I also think the way the whole loyalty points system has been set up is wrong and I will be writing to the club about it. ( BTW I have signed up for a season ticket and am on the waiting list ) My understanding is that the club issues loyalty points for what can often be described as extremely dubious reasons, based around the ability to pay. The club tempts fans with the offer of x hundred points for gold and platinum membership based on increasing revenues and ability to pay, not loyalty of support, it seems to me. They also give hundreds of points for merely being a season ticket holder and a variety of other dubious money making methods,
This does not apply to everyone and many blues have been very loyal over many decades.
However, in my case we have a ridiculous situation where my own son, who has had a season ticket for five ish years, has more than double the number of loyalty points that I have and yet I have been to approximately 1000 City matches over more than forty years compared to his 100 matches over 5 or 6 years. How does this happen ? Well ,mainly for the reasons I have already stated where the 'loyalty' points are handed out like confetti a bit like the voting system at the fucking Eurovision song contest. City are wrong over this and the system is totally unjust. It should be based around attending matches, not the ability to pay. In my case I will be writing to the club and demanding to know why I have not been given a good few thousand additional loyalty points for the years I had season tickets at Maine Rd, approximately 20 of them ! No junior should have more loyalty points than those of us who went for many years and had season tickets longbefore they were born.
You covered a lot of 'points' in there and got me thinking, as a blue that had a season ticket at the old stadium, now in the position of getting my young 'blue' up the points ladder.
I got 1200 points for being a season ticket holder at the old stadium (Is that what everyone got???) . In the new stadium I got 100 points for a season ticket in the first year, then bizarrely 420 points for season 05/06. Co-incidentally that was the year my young blue was born, so I've been working on his points since his first match in 2009. Ten points here and there to start with, then 100 (!) for Aris Thessaloniki in 2010/11 and 100 (!) for the Reading Cup Q/F. First season ticket for him was the title winning season (glory hunter). With away matches etc he's already amassed well over 3,000.
Not sure where I'm going with this, except that if a blue has attended 1000 matches surely they should have more than a 'couple of thousand' points. I'm sure there are many blue members out there really peed off that they can't get cup final tickets, but how many matches a season must they currently attend not to make it worthwhile upgrading to a season ticket? Cheapest adult match day ticket this year is £28, average probably around £35-£40, so attending more than about ten would cost similar to the cheapest season ticket. Probably another thread better placed to put this, but after scrambling around in 2011 to get 2 tickets for the semi and final, I was confident just three years later that my eight year old would be well up the queue, and got them this time with over a week to spare.
This does not apply to everyone and many blues have been very loyal over many decades.
However, in my case we have a ridiculous situation where my own son, who has had a season ticket for five ish years, has more than double the number of loyalty points that I have and yet I have been to approximately 1000 City matches over more than forty years compared to his 100 matches over 5 or 6 years. How does this happen ? Well ,mainly for the reasons I have already stated where the 'loyalty' points are handed out like confetti a bit like the voting system at the fucking Eurovision song contest. City are wrong over this and the system is totally unjust. It should be based around attending matches, not the ability to pay. In my case I will be writing to the club and demanding to know why I have not been given a good few thousand additional loyalty points for the years I had season tickets at Maine Rd, approximately 20 of them ! No junior should have more loyalty points than those of us who went for many years and had season tickets longbefore they were born.
You covered a lot of 'points' in there and got me thinking, as a blue that had a season ticket at the old stadium, now in the position of getting my young 'blue' up the points ladder.
I got 1200 points for being a season ticket holder at the old stadium (Is that what everyone got???) . In the new stadium I got 100 points for a season ticket in the first year, then bizarrely 420 points for season 05/06. Co-incidentally that was the year my young blue was born, so I've been working on his points since his first match in 2009. Ten points here and there to start with, then 100 (!) for Aris Thessaloniki in 2010/11 and 100 (!) for the Reading Cup Q/F. First season ticket for him was the title winning season (glory hunter). With away matches etc he's already amassed well over 3,000.
Not sure where I'm going with this, except that if a blue has attended 1000 matches surely they should have more than a 'couple of thousand' points. I'm sure there are many blue members out there really peed off that they can't get cup final tickets, but how many matches a season must they currently attend not to make it worthwhile upgrading to a season ticket? Cheapest adult match day ticket this year is £28, average probably around £35-£40, so attending more than about ten would cost similar to the cheapest season ticket. Probably another thread better placed to put this, but after scrambling around in 2011 to get 2 tickets for the semi and final, I was confident just three years later that my eight year old would be well up the queue, and got them this time with over a week to spare.
malg
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Long overdue. This place will go into meltdown if it happens though.mancitymick said:It would not surprise me if one day the club do change how tickets are issued.
tiptopcheshireblue
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Paulpowersleftfoot said:tiptopcheshireblue said:There has to be some criteria to reward loyality.
I know loads of Sunderland fans, and Sunderland (the city) has gone wembley crazy. Every local wants one, and many think they will miss out.
I dont know what their average attendance is this season in the league or the cups, but they are still vastly over subscribed for a 31000 allocation.
It will be simelar to us against Stoke 3 years ago, when thousands of season ticket holders missed out.
Would this be the same Sunderland who had a 16000 gate at their fa cup game with tickets at £15 on Saturday?
Excuse me while I don't give a fuck
Yes the very same, but they still did not put them just on open sale.
Bill
Moderator
We are City not Chelsea said:"What concerns me more though is the way City have set up this loyalty points 'system' over the last five years or so. If, like me, you are blue member with a couple of thousand points and for various reason have been unable to attend every game so not in possession of a season ticket, clearly you have no chance of ever getting any kind of cup final ticket. I think this is wrong. I also think the way the whole loyalty points system has been set up is wrong and I will be writing to the club about it. ( BTW I have signed up for a season ticket and am on the waiting list ) My understanding is that the club issues loyalty points for what can often be described as extremely dubious reasons, based around the ability to pay. The club tempts fans with the offer of x hundred points for gold and platinum membership based on increasing revenues and ability to pay, not loyalty of support, it seems to me. They also give hundreds of points for merely being a season ticket holder and a variety of other dubious money making methods,
This does not apply to everyone and many blues have been very loyal over many decades.
However, in my case we have a ridiculous situation where my own son, who has had a season ticket for five ish years, has more than double the number of loyalty points that I have and yet I have been to approximately 1000 City matches over more than forty years compared to his 100 matches over 5 or 6 years. How does this happen ? Well ,mainly for the reasons I have already stated where the 'loyalty' points are handed out like confetti a bit like the voting system at the fucking Eurovision song contest. City are wrong over this and the system is totally unjust. It should be based around attending matches, not the ability to pay. In my case I will be writing to the club and demanding to know why I have not been given a good few thousand additional loyalty points for the years I had season tickets at Maine Rd, approximately 20 of them ! No junior should have more loyalty points than those of us who went for many years and had season tickets longbefore they were born.
You covered a lot of 'points' in there and got me thinking, as a blue that had a season ticket at the old stadium, now in the position of getting my young 'blue' up the points ladder.
I got 1200 points for being a season ticket holder at the old stadium (Is that what everyone got???) . In the new stadium I got 100 points for a season ticket in the first year, then bizarrely 420 points for season 05/06. Co-incidentally that was the year my young blue was born, so I've been working on his points since his first match in 2009. Ten points here and there to start with, then 100 (!) for Aris Thessaloniki in 2010/11 and 100 (!) for the Reading Cup Q/F. First season ticket for him was the title winning season (glory hunter). With away matches etc he's already amassed well over 3,000.
Not sure where I'm going with this, except that if a blue has attended 1000 matches surely they should have more than a 'couple of thousand' points. I'm sure there are many blue members out there really peed off that they can't get cup final tickets, but how many matches a season must they currently attend not to make it worthwhile upgrading to a season ticket? Cheapest adult match day ticket this year is £28, average probably around £35-£40, so attending more than about ten would cost similar to the cheapest season ticket. Probably another thread better placed to put this, but after scrambling around in 2011 to get 2 tickets for the semi and final, I was confident just three years later that my eight year old would be well up the queue, and got them this time with over a week to spare.
nice life story/ moan.
try this.
I have been watching city for 50 years, there are loads of fans with more points than me (I have around 13k) my daughter, although an adult has the same.
why should they have even more than me?
BECAUSE THEY ATTEND THE FUCKING GAMES.
how hard is that to grasp.
We are City not Chelsea
Active Member
de niro said:You covered a lot of 'points' in there and got me thinking, as a blue that had a season ticket at the old stadium, now in the position of getting my young 'blue' up the points ladder.
I got 1200 points for being a season ticket holder at the old stadium (Is that what everyone got???) . In the new stadium I got 100 points for a season ticket in the first year, then bizarrely 420 points for season 05/06. Co-incidentally that was the year my young blue was born, so I've been working on his points since his first match in 2009. Ten points here and there to start with, then 100 (!) for Aris Thessaloniki in 2010/11 and 100 (!) for the Reading Cup Q/F. First season ticket for him was the title winning season (glory hunter). With away matches etc he's already amassed well over 3,000.
Not sure where I'm going with this, except that if a blue has attended 1000 matches surely they should have more than a 'couple of thousand' points. I'm sure there are many blue members out there really peed off that they can't get cup final tickets, but how many matches a season must they currently attend not to make it worthwhile upgrading to a season ticket? Cheapest adult match day ticket this year is £28, average probably around £35-£40, so attending more than about ten would cost similar to the cheapest season ticket. Probably another thread better placed to put this, but after scrambling around in 2011 to get 2 tickets for the semi and final, I was confident just three years later that my eight year old would be well up the queue, and got them this time with over a week to spare.
nice life story/ moan.
try this.
I have been watching city for 50 years, there are loads of fans with more points than me (I have around 13k) my daughter, although an adult has the same.
why should they have even more than me?
BECAUSE THEY ATTEND THE FUCKING GAMES.
how hard is that to grasp.[/quote]
Hi De Niro,
Thanks for that. I'm pretty shit at all this "quote" stuff, so what's quoted as me is actually the guy a few pages back. My bit actually started with "You covered a lot of points in there...", and by way of example of my incompetence it now previews this post with my quote as yours... I'll get there sooner or later.
Anyway, to actually sum up my life story (not the other guy) ,I've been to a lot of games, have a season ticket and therefore lots of points (but not 13,000). My son is eight, he's been to a lot of games in four years, is a ST holder so he's jumping up the points queue. The guy before said he'd been to a thousand games but only had 2k of points. I was merely commenting on some of the random points given out in recent seasons and agree exactly what you've put....
If you want tickets to the big games, go to the matches!
Hence I paid £250 for my son to see the semi in 2011, but £28 for the Capital Cup Final this year.