Time wasting.

cheekybids said:
This is easy to stop, it’s obvious so make it z yellow for all players & coaches involved.

We don’t have time outs in football so don’t allow them.
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You say that but all that would do is encourage players to be more convincing actors. The rules are that play stops if a goalkeeper is injured. What should happen if a keeper appears to be injured? Instant yellow card? I can’t see that ever happening.
 
ONE minute in the first half...ONE fucking minute.

Palace kicked the ball away constantly at stoppages, did the defenders level with the keeper, fuck around, then wave them forward at almost every goal kick & suddenly sped up after going behind.


ONE fucking minute....but found a bit more and yes I know there were subs used when they were behind in the second half.

ONE fucking minute!!!
 
Chris B said:
You say that but all that would do is encourage players to be more convincing actors. The rules are that play stops if a goalkeeper is injured. What should happen if a keeper appears to be injured? Instant yellow card? I can’t see that ever happening.
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I’ve no problem with a bit of convincing acting but that’s fucking blatant & should be punished.

Over here in Aus they have AFL & I’ve never got my head round the equivalent of a throw in. It’s only goes to the other team if it’s deliberate so you see all kinds of atrocious mis - kicks to give you the required result. (I might have got this wrong but that’s how it seems)
 
MCFC1993 said:
You can tell that it's being coached and it's a disgrace the level it has got to. Teams are also using different methods now, feigning injury has never been so rife.

Collina seems pretty intent on tackling this and it needs to happen fast.

Biggest issues are:
- Teams taking forever to get the ball back in play, throw-ins, goal kicks being the worst offenders.
- Goalkeepers holding the ball for 20-30 seconds before clearing it.
- Kicking the ball away (that's been around forever).
- Feigning injury.

We lost about 20mins in that first half through Palace time-wasting, I think Guaita was responsible for half of it.


- Referees need to start booking players immediately, no warnings, they don't need warnings, they know what they're doing. Ederson was booked in the 1st half against Arsenal, quite rightly and that needs to become the standard.
- Early bookings may resolve the need to not add time on.
- They either need to stop the clock or add sufficient time on.
- Feigning injuries is a tough one to judge. I would have an injury clock running next to the normal clock, the moment a player goes down that clock starts.
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The new one that has come in last 18 months is pretend the goalie is going to pass it out from the back hold it for a bit then the goalie gives the eye for the defenders to push up while taking more time out the game!
 
We all of us have been saying for a long time that the sport needs a bloody good shake-up from top to bottom. More transparency from pgmol, mic'd up referees and maybe linesmen, too. Anything that helps to maintain a level playing field between the teams on the pitch is to be welcomed.
It cannot continue the way it is because there will be a violent fans revolt. You see it after the full-time whistle when a team has been well and truly shafted by the ref (usually in order to help the rags), you see the intense hatred in their eyes as they troop away from the stadium knowing one man has just totally destroyed their clubs' hope of three points or the chance to go through to another round and therefor make extra money.
But no, everything possible is being done to help certain clubs at the top of the tree. To keep them relevant and ensure the money continues to flow like Niagara Falls through the Premier league's accounts.

These fans that have just witnessed yet another disgustingly blatant travesty of justice to ensure pgmol's favourites can stay at (or near) the top have had enough. They've worked all week, paid their taxes, now they're looking forward to seeing their team take on one of the Premier's so-called 'elite' clubs. But some insignificant little man with a whistle and a massive chip on his shoulder is going to make a monumental game-changing decision (or four or five) that will fuck them up forever. A catastrophic decision that could end up costing their club millions and millions of pounds should that decision relegate them, or knock them out of the lucrative cup games.


It only takes one disaffected, thoroughly pissed-off football supporter to light the spark and the violent chain reaction that will inevitably follow will be felt for decades and decades to come.
 
This just seems to be one of the easiest positive changes the game could make.
Play stops, clock stops.
As many have already said rugby has this bang on (this and miking the refs)
There's just no downside and all the negativity melts away.
No frustration, no selective yellow cards, no cheating of paying fans.
I don't understand how there can be any serious arguments against it.
The 90 mins would probably need reducing to reflect a sensible ball in play time - 75-80 mins ?
 
g2aham said:
This just seems to be one of the easiest positive changes the game could make.
Play stops, clock stops.
As many have already said rugby has this bang on (this and miking the refs)
There's just no downside and all the negativity melts away.
No frustration, no selective yellow cards, no cheating of paying fans.
I don't understand how there can be any serious arguments against it.
The 90 mins would probably need reducing to reflect a sensible ball in play time - 75-80 mins ?
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Agree but that would only work on none live televised games. The tv schedule would be all over the place for the rest of the day if showing it live.

Football isnt about being fair to the fans it's about making money and tv pay huge amounts as do adverts
 
give it to gordon said:
Agree but that would only work on none live televised games. The tv schedule would be all over the place for the rest of the day if showing it live.

Football isnt about being fair to the fans it's about making money and tv pay huge amounts as do adverts
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I get what you're saying and yes I agree it's all money motivated now.
But I think it would soon even out to a predictable pattern/ time.
I think any variations could easily be smoothed out by more or less of the pundits (less hopefully)
Also let's face it TV isn't adverse to changing kick of times to suit their schedule.
There didn't use to be 12.30 14.30 kick offs etc
 
I see Pierluigi Collina is pushing for a crackdown on time wasting like we saw in the World Cup.

This would be a great rule change for City, but in the short term we’d probably see extended matches and a dilemma for early leavers - will they still leave on 75 minutes or will the stay another 10 minutes and leave on 85 mins instead?
 
Kicking the ball away was virtually stopped when players were booked every time. Then for some reason players stopped being booked and it crept back. Strange.
 
Another thing I hate is the players showing zero respect to the referees as well, any shouting or approaching should be a yellow and swearing towards or at a ref an immediate red card that would solve that problem, the amount of times I see experience players tell refs to fuck off etc. it’s a disgrace.

On time wasting however it’s part of the gameplan for some sides now and it really spoils the game for me, I’d play on around the injured players unless it’s a genuine head injury be interesting to see how many ‘injuries’ suddenly stopped then and a simple stop the watch with every break in play.

Loads of simple steps could be taken, that don’t require any real effort it just seems they can’t be arsed to do it which is no real surprise as they aren’t fit for purpose, it’s detracting from the game as a whole watching yesterday was a farce just 10 men behind the ball, wasting time from the kick off with zero intent to attack or have an open game of football and that’s most weeks now for a lot of the top teams not solely us.
 
Chris B said:
You say that but all that would do is encourage players to be more convincing actors. The rules are that play stops if a goalkeeper is injured. What should happen if a keeper appears to be injured? Instant yellow card? I can’t see that ever happening.
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if that injured they go off the pitch and stay off for treatment for as long as game stopped
 
There is a light said:
I see Pierluigi Collina is pushing for a crackdown on time wasting like we saw in the World Cup.

This would be a great rule change for City, but in the short term we’d probably see extended matches and a dilemma for early leavers - will they still leave on 75 minutes or will the stay another 10 minutes and leave on 85 mins instead?
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Would just have more teams wasting time for longer. Wouldn’t put a stop to anything.

There just needs to be a countdown clock for all goal kicks, throw-ins, free kicks and corners and if the hooter sounds after 15 seconds as the ball hasn’t been put back into play, the opposition get the ball:

At a goal kick the opposition get a corner
At a throw-in the opposition get a throw-in from the same place
At a free kick the opposition get a free kick from the same place
At a corner the opposition get a goal kick.

If there’s an injury, play just carries on. It happens in rugby. At A&E you can wait for five, ten, fifteen hours at times before being seen so these cheating game-ruining **** footballers can wait until the next break in play before being treated and they all have to stay off the pitch for a full injury assessment before being cleared to come back on. If that takes ten minutes for a head injury assessment, so be it.

Football has become a shit sport and it needs sorting out. If it weren’t for City, I wouldn’t watch this sport. It’s boring these days. Get it sorted out for fuck’s sake.
 
I once reffed a County Cup Sunday league game between a 2nd division team & the team who always won the league & usually got to the final. The under dogs took the lead & then went onto waste time constantly. The champions then equalized in the 89th minute. However, I then indicated 9 minutes of injury time. And almost on time the 2nd division team, who had spent the whole game wasting time, scored the winner. Therefore benefitting from their own cheating
 
Amazes me how teams catch on to the latest craze.
This goalkeeper time wasting of falling to the ground after a simple through ball has to get stopped.
Booking should have started months ago to try and stop it.
 
waspish said:
The new one that has come in last 18 months is pretend the goalie is going to pass it out from the back hold it for a bit then the goalie gives the eye for the defenders to push up while taking more time out the game!
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I was kind of covering that with goal kicks.

I posted this in the match day thread at half time yesterday:


Wait for their next goal kick:

- Guaita takes 15-20 seconds to get the ball placed where he's kicking it from.
- Palace centre halves drop for the short pass.
- Guaita never plays the short pass and another 15-20 seconds has passed.
- Guaita waits for Palace centre halves to run up the pitch, takes 15-20 seconds to kick it.

We lost nearly 10 minutes in that half because of that.

Don't even get me started on throw-ins.
 
Blue Maverick said:
The way to deal with that is the concussion rule, player has to go off for 10 mins but you can bring a sub on but when that sun goes off he cannot be used again. You can still have 5 subs but as many concussion subs as you want but those players can only be used once and then can’t take part again, Everton would be sending on the reserve keeper after 15 mins.
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Great idea
 
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