Trayvon Martin

[Gaylord du Bois]

Has no one took the time to think how cool Zimmerman is for a name, I kind of want it but he has tainted it for me.

I always wanted to be called Hilts Sutcliffe, i feel your pain

+1
Gaylord du Bundy here.

 

[mackenzie]

so what are you saying then he should have been sentenced because people have the opinion he stereotyped the lad? the legal niceties are everything when sending someone to trial

the police said there was not enough evidence to prove he didn't act in self defence, politically pressure was put on to charge him, it went to court and based on evidence or lack of he was cleared, what else could they do?

As usual america's gun laws are to blame for Zimmerman's freedom, something they are unwilling to rectify

the key element to the case is the point where he decided to follow martin and the point at which he was shot, nobody knows what happened in between and one poor sod can't give his account

unlike some i can't say Zimmerman followed this lad because he was black, only Zimmerman knows the answer to this, if you look at the history of crime within that gated community it is feasible that he would have followed any bloke on his own who he didn't recognise

I agree that allegations of stereotyping shouldn't be brought into a trial as such, and only the 'real' evidence should be heard.
However, I disagree with your last point. If that had been a middle class white college boy I am pretty sure Zimmerman would have acted differently. If you don't think that then fair enough, but if you don't then I also think you are either very naive or just being pedantic for the sake of your argument.

what i think or what you do is not relevant that is the point, i have never defended Zimmerman once, you said you were pretty sure Zimmerman would have acted differently if the kid was a white college looking kid, that statement alone says there is a possiblilty he might have acted in the same way

we all stereotype people to a certain degree, let me ask you this if Zimmerman saw a young white lad with tattoo's wearing a hoodie hanging around would he have followed him as well?

Ill ask you again hilts; do you believe Zimmerman would have acted exactly the same in the scenario I suggested?
I agree that what we 'think' or hypothesise on here has no real validation, but lets just use a bit of common sense/reality here.

 

[mcmanus]

Bloody hell Taconinga how many people do you know who have shot others by accident?

Pistol, rifle, shotgun, or bow and arrow?

Pistol - 2. First was self-inflicted while cleaning. Bullet traveled down the shin, exited at the ankle, shattering the bone. Second was self-inflicted in a quick-draw contest. Shot a hole in his own foot trying to unholster the pistol.

Rifle - 1. Worked an accident scene where a father cleaning his rifle didn't properly check to see if it was loaded. Killed his small son. I think the kid was two or three. Shot through chest.

That was the last time in my life I've vomited. Couldn't stop myself from doing it.

Shotgun - 0 accidental. My mother did shoot my step-father with rock salut, though. Not an accident. Thank goodness nothing serious with a shotgun.

Bow and arrow - 1. Boy I went to high school with was bow hunting with his father. Saw movement and fired. Killed his father. The father was 30 foot up a tree in a stand wearing an orange vest. Not accidental, but my mother also shot my step-father in the leg with a bow and arrow. That was a tumultuous relationship.

I once called a mate a kunt and threw a peanut at him.

You lot are mad.

 

[johnmc]

I know this is a little off topic and it might have been mentioned on here before but, is anybody aware of this story? If it has been mentioned on here before, any idea why it didn't gain as much press or publicity? Sorry to sound like a heartless bastard, but I just can't get my head around the interest that the zimmerman case has recieved (sorry, I onky know how to copy the link).

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/jilted-john-acquitted-texas-prostitute-death-article-1.1365975" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/j ... -1.1365975</a>

Another story was a girl being killed for $85 tip money made at her job waiting tables. I think one of the three men hasn't been caught.

It seems that the press pick up on stories to suit them. The Stephen Lawrence case was high profile but I don't doubt another young black man has been killed in this country purely because of the colour of his skin that hasn't received the same press.

 

[hilts]

I agree that allegations of stereotyping shouldn't be brought into a trial as such, and only the 'real' evidence should be heard.
However, I disagree with your last point. If that had been a middle class white college boy I am pretty sure Zimmerman would have acted differently. If you don't think that then fair enough, but if you don't then I also think you are either very naive or just being pedantic for the sake of your argument.

what i think or what you do is not relevant that is the point, i have never defended Zimmerman once, you said you were pretty sure Zimmerman would have acted differently if the kid was a white college looking kid, that statement alone says there is a possiblilty he might have acted in the same way

we all stereotype people to a certain degree, let me ask you this if Zimmerman saw a young white lad with tattoo's wearing a hoodie hanging around would he have followed him as well?

Ill ask you again hilts; do you believe Zimmerman would have acted exactly the same in the scenario I suggested?
I agree that what we 'think' or hypothesise on here has no real validation, but lets just use a bit of common sense/reality here.

no i don't believe he would but it is a guess although a pretty good one, no can you answer my question that i asked

if Zimmerman saw a young white lad with tattoo's wearing a hoodie hanging around would he have followed him as well<br /><br />-- Mon Jul 15, 2013 9:25 pm --<br /><br />

I know this is a little off topic and it might have been mentioned on here before but, is anybody aware of this story? If it has been mentioned on here before, any idea why it didn't gain as much press or publicity? Sorry to sound like a heartless bastard, but I just can't get my head around the interest that the zimmerman case has recieved (sorry, I onky know how to copy the link).

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/jilted-john-acquitted-texas-prostitute-death-article-1.1365975" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/j ... -1.1365975</a>

that is madness

 

[mackenzie]

what i think or what you do is not relevant that is the point, i have never defended Zimmerman once, you said you were pretty sure Zimmerman would have acted differently if the kid was a white college looking kid, that statement alone says there is a possiblilty he might have acted in the same way

we all stereotype people to a certain degree, let me ask you this if Zimmerman saw a young white lad with tattoo's wearing a hoodie hanging around would he have followed him as well?

Ill ask you again hilts; do you believe Zimmerman would have acted exactly the same in the scenario I suggested?
I agree that what we 'think' or hypothesise on here has no real validation, but lets just use a bit of common sense/reality here.

no i don't believe he would but it is a guess although a pretty good one, no can you answer my question that i asked

if Zimmerman saw a young white lad with tattoo's wearing a hoodie hanging around would he have followed him as well

I'd guess ( and it is a guess I admit) that anyone whose appearance deviated from the 'norm' would have got the same reaction, yes.
That doesn't make it right though; in fact, that supposition makes it even worse.

 

[taconinja]

Bloody hell Taconinga how many people do you know who have shot others by accident?

Pistol, rifle, shotgun, or bow and arrow?

Pistol - 2. First was self-inflicted while cleaning. Bullet traveled down the shin, exited at the ankle, shattering the bone. Second was self-inflicted in a quick-draw contest. Shot a hole in his own foot trying to unholster the pistol.

Rifle - 1. Worked an accident scene where a father cleaning his rifle didn't properly check to see if it was loaded. Killed his small son. I think the kid was two or three. Shot through chest.

That was the last time in my life I've vomited. Couldn't stop myself from doing it.

Shotgun - 0 accidental. My mother did shoot my step-father with rock salt, though. Not an accident. Thank goodness nothing serious with a shotgun.

Bow and arrow - 1. Boy I went to high school with was bow hunting with his father. Saw movement and fired. Killed his father. The father was 30 foot up a tree in a stand wearing an orange vest. Not accidental, but my mother also shot my step-father in the leg with a bow and arrow. That was a tumultuous relationship.

Don't forget Ashley Cole.

Well I was limiting it to people I've actually met. ;)<br /><br />-- Mon Jul 15, 2013 5:28 pm --<br /><br />

what i think or what you do is not relevant that is the point, i have never defended Zimmerman once, you said you were pretty sure Zimmerman would have acted differently if the kid was a white college looking kid, that statement alone says there is a possiblilty he might have acted in the same way

we all stereotype people to a certain degree, let me ask you this if Zimmerman saw a young white lad with tattoo's wearing a hoodie hanging around would he have followed him as well?

Ill ask you again hilts; do you believe Zimmerman would have acted exactly the same in the scenario I suggested?
I agree that what we 'think' or hypothesise on here has no real validation, but lets just use a bit of common sense/reality here.

no i don't believe he would but it is a guess although a pretty good one, no can you answer my question that i asked

if Zimmerman saw a young white lad with tattoo's wearing a hoodie hanging around would he have followed him as well

-- Mon Jul 15, 2013 9:25 pm --

I know this is a little off topic and it might have been mentioned on here before but, is anybody aware of this story? If it has been mentioned on here before, any idea why it didn't gain as much press or publicity? Sorry to sound like a heartless bastard, but I just can't get my head around the interest that the zimmerman case has recieved (sorry, I onky know how to copy the link).

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/jilted-john-acquitted-texas-prostitute-death-article-1.1365975" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/j ... -1.1365975</a>

that is madness

Yeah. Madness is the only way to describe it.

 

[hilts]

Ill ask you again hilts; do you believe Zimmerman would have acted exactly the same in the scenario I suggested?
I agree that what we 'think' or hypothesise on here has no real validation, but lets just use a bit of common sense/reality here.

no i don't believe he would but it is a guess although a pretty good one, no can you answer my question that i asked

if Zimmerman saw a young white lad with tattoo's wearing a hoodie hanging around would he have followed him as well

I'd guess ( and it is a guess I admit) that anyone whose appearance deviated from the 'norm' would have got the same reaction, yes.
That doesn't make it right though; in fact, that supposition makes it even worse.

Why?

 

[Jumanji]

Guy raises some great points.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WtcveaMUJSI[/youtube]

 

[ElanJo]

The Young Turks are such morons

 

[Barcon]

I know this is a little off topic and it might have been mentioned on here before but, is anybody aware of this story? If it has been mentioned on here before, any idea why it didn't gain as much press or publicity? Sorry to sound like a heartless bastard, but I just can't get my head around the interest that the zimmerman case has recieved (sorry, I onky know how to copy the link).

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/jilted-john-acquitted-texas-prostitute-death-article-1.1365975" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/j ... -1.1365975</a>

Another story was a girl being killed for $85 tip money made at her job waiting tables. I think one of the three men hasn't been caught.

It seems that the press pick up on stories to suit them. The Stephen Lawrence case was high profile but I don't doubt another young black man has been killed in this country purely because of the colour of his skin that hasn't received the same press.

I agree 100%, this story is making millions of dollars for lots of people. How many people wer gunned down in the states in the last week that you will never hear about. Another one was the jodi arias trial. You might not have heard of it over there but over here, it was all you heard about for months. Why? Because it was a sex fueled murder and sex sells. Nobody gives a fuck if somebody gets shot in the U.S, but they give a fuck if it has a selling point.

 

[mackenzie]

no i don't believe he would but it is a guess although a pretty good one, no can you answer my question that i asked

if Zimmerman saw a young white lad with tattoo's wearing a hoodie hanging around would he have followed him as well

I'd guess ( and it is a guess I admit) that anyone whose appearance deviated from the 'norm' would have got the same reaction, yes.
That doesn't make it right though; in fact, that supposition makes it even worse.

Why?

Why what?

 

[johnmc]

I know this is a little off topic and it might have been mentioned on here before but, is anybody aware of this story? If it has been mentioned on here before, any idea why it didn't gain as much press or publicity? Sorry to sound like a heartless bastard, but I just can't get my head around the interest that the zimmerman case has recieved (sorry, I onky know how to copy the link).

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/jilted-john-acquitted-texas-prostitute-death-article-1.1365975" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/j ... -1.1365975</a>

Another story was a girl being killed for $85 tip money made at her job waiting tables. I think one of the three men hasn't been caught.

It seems that the press pick up on stories to suit them. The Stephen Lawrence case was high profile but I don't doubt another young black man has been killed in this country purely because of the colour of his skin that hasn't received the same press.

I agree 100%, this story is making millions of dollars for lots of people. How many people wer gunned down in the states in the last week that you will never hear about. Another one was the jodi arias trial. You might not have heard of it over there but over here, it was all you heard about for months. Why? Because it was a sex fueled murder and sex sells. Nobody gives a fuck if somebody gets shot in the U.S, but they give a fuck if it has a selling point.

Certainly seems that way.

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-16438933" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-16438933</a>

 

[hilts]

I'd guess ( and it is a guess I admit) that anyone whose appearance deviated from the 'norm' would have got the same reaction, yes.
That doesn't make it right though; in fact, that supposition makes it even worse.

Why?

Why what?

why does it make it worse that he decided to follow someone judged on his appearance/stroke behaviour

 

[bluemanc]

I know this is a little off topic and it might have been mentioned on here before but, is anybody aware of this story? If it has been mentioned on here before, any idea why it didn't gain as much press or publicity? Sorry to sound like a heartless bastard, but I just can't get my head around the interest that the zimmerman case has recieved (sorry, I onky know how to copy the link).

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/jilted-john-acquitted-texas-prostitute-death-article-1.1365975" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/j ... -1.1365975</a>

I just can't get my head around the interest that the zimmerman case has recieved

White man shoots black man then white man gets away with it is a better story,on here & outside.
Obama has even got involved in it,not sure whether its the race angle(which doesn't exist)or the law itself,Gun Law will be the last thing Obama will want this to be about.
A lot of sense being spoken about the 2 involved on the net,but it gets overshadowed by shite i'm afraid.

 

[mackenzie]

Why?

Why what?

why does it make it worse that he decided to follow someone judged on his appearance/stroke behaviour

I can't believe you even ask that question to be honest.
Not having a go, just a bit staggered that you would say that.

 

[hilts]

Why what?

why does it make it worse that he decided to follow someone judged on his appearance/stroke behaviour

I can't believe you even ask that question to be honest.
Not having a go, just a bit staggered that you would say that.

At some point your supposed to answer it though

 

[mackenzie]

why does it make it worse that he decided to follow someone judged on his appearance/stroke behaviour

I can't believe you even ask that question to be honest.
Not having a go, just a bit staggered that you would say that.

At some point your supposed to answer it though

It makes it worse because it suggests that anyone, and I do mean anyone, that didn't conform to his idea of 'normal and safe' should be subjected to what he did. I know you will say that this infers this wasn't a problem with just black lads in particular but I really hope you don't?

 

[hilts]

I can't believe you even ask that question to be honest.
Not having a go, just a bit staggered that you would say that.

At some point your supposed to answer it though

It makes it worse because it suggests that anyone, and I do mean anyone, that didn't conform to his idea of 'normal and safe' should be subjected to what he did. I know you will say that this infers this wasn't a problem with just black lads in particular but I really hope you don't?

In the real world would i be more wary of a young kid wearing a hoodie hanging around than a 50 year old bloke with a white stick and a labrador, yes

in the land of perfection it shouldn't make a difference but it does, we all do it to suggest otherwise would be a lie

to clarify this relates to martin calling the police and following him not shooting the kid but i'm pretty sure you didn't jump to that conclusion

 

[intheknow!]

Off topic, but why do so many British people get so worked up and so involved and engrossed in the minute detail of things that happen in the US? The US is nothing to do with us, in any way, it's a foreign Country not connected to us at all, yet debates about crimes, laws, politics etc there run into hundreds of pages, where feelings run high. Yet never do we follow things in other Countries like Germany, France, Italy, Spain in the same way or intensity, you know those Countries we are actually in a Union and share a Continent with.

If an alien came from outer space and didn't know any different they would assume Britain was the 51st State of the US, not a European Country thousands of miles away.