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Truck Runs into Crowd in Nice
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worsleyweb
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Yes what we need is Jesus Corbyn in charge and we will never have another terrorist threat in Europe again...
We can all hold hands with a jihadi and sing around the camp fire.
kas_tippler
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I think it's Tony Blair you should be angry with.I hate that the Farage cheerleader Marie Le Pen and her psychotic extremist ilk will cash in on yet another human tragedy come the French election. Likewise in Germany and likewise here. Europe is becoming a genuinely dangerous place not only because of the actions of the faith deranged, but because of the gathering strength of these nationalistic zealots. It's less than 100 years since these people came to dominate much of Europe and wreaked havoc and mass murder across our continent and across the world. This is what the Islamo-fascists want as well. Cuntz, the lot of them. I don't know what can be done, though.
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worsleyweb
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It won't. But there is a drip-drip accumulative impact these incidents are having on the political culture as a whole. Europe is becoming dangerous not because of any one single event but because of the rise of the far right and the "it will never happen here" complacency about the spread of far right ideas into the mainstream.
Let me make this clear. Religious fundamentalists are beneath contempt and I hate the idea that people think we shouldn't criticise Islam and anyone who does is some sort of Islamophobe. Its fucking stupid to deny that Islam has a problem. But far right solutions are never real solutions and it is just as fucking stupid to think that fascism entering the mainstream of European politics is nothing to worry about.
So people think this is mad? Oh do please fuck off.
Sorry I missed the bit where people on here were suggesting far right solutions.
FanchesterCity
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not hard to obtain eitherIs anyone saying where he got two semiautomatic weapons from? And the grenades? If they were real grenades.
The regressive left dont have the right answers either. Did Tony Blair invent religious extremism then? Or was it Tony Blair that this fanatic drove his fucking lorry into?I think it's Tony Blair you should be angry with.
Why? Surely they ought to be hard to obtain? If I went to Nice next week, would I be able to buy a machine gun?not hard to obtain either
not hard to obtain either
FFS that one eyed guy in Manchester could get hold of grenades! I'm guessing it's a hell of a lot easier in mainland Europe.
FanchesterCity
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Why? Surely they ought to be hard to obtain? If I went to Nice next week, would I be able to buy a machine gun?
No, but there are plenty of people able to provide one to a terrorist with no problem at all. Getting one across mainland Europe would be easy.
He only needs 1 'connected' accomplice to supply him.
Stop supporting them ?I hate that the Farage cheerleader Marie Le Pen and her psychotic extremist ilk will cash in on yet another human tragedy come the French election. Likewise in Germany and likewise here. Europe is becoming a genuinely dangerous place not only because of the actions of the faith deranged, but because of the gathering strength of these nationalistic zealots. It's less than 100 years since these people came to dominate much of Europe and wreaked havoc and mass murder across our continent and across the world. This is what the Islamo-fascists want as well. Cuntz, the lot of them. I don't know what can be done, though.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/nov/13/ukraine-far-right-fascism-mps
http://media.gettyimages.com/photos...he-azov-battalion-in-kiev-picture-id457209412
FanchesterCity
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FFS that one eyed guy in Manchester could get hold of grenades! I'm guessing it's a hell of a lot easier in mainland Europe.
Indeed. Automatic weapons are probably a little harder in the UK (but not much). Mainland Europe shouldn't be too difficult.
I'm guessing, but I suspect he was helped / encouraged. We may never know though.
smudgedj
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Yes what we need is Jesus Corbyn in charge and we will never have another terrorist threat in Europe again...
A socialist utopia in which no one has to work, terrorists are our friends and there's an endless money tree. Winner.
FanchesterCity
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I think blaming Blair is a bit simplistic.
Al Qaeda was doing its stuff already, and yes, we made a real hash of Iraq and Afghanistan, but the terrorism was still there.
I do think in hindsight it's made matters worse, but he isn't the cause of this. The cause and the blame lies solely with the terrorists themselves.
Al Qaeda was doing its stuff already, and yes, we made a real hash of Iraq and Afghanistan, but the terrorism was still there.
I do think in hindsight it's made matters worse, but he isn't the cause of this. The cause and the blame lies solely with the terrorists themselves.
Blue Haze
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How long before it dawns on ISIS that trucks are much more effective than bombs or guns?
You can get a truck easily in virtually every country in the world. All they need is a crowd in a street. Gun control and intelligence sharing won't stop a madman with a truck. It's time we declared war on ISIS and end them the way we did Saddam in the first Gulf War. The Arab armies are taking too long, many will die while we waste time.
You can get a truck easily in virtually every country in the world. All they need is a crowd in a street. Gun control and intelligence sharing won't stop a madman with a truck. It's time we declared war on ISIS and end them the way we did Saddam in the first Gulf War. The Arab armies are taking too long, many will die while we waste time.
FanchesterCity
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How long before it dawns on ISIS that trucks are much more effective than bombs or guns?
You can get a truck easily in virtually every country in the world. All they need is a crowd in a street. Gun control and intelligence sharing won't stop a madman with a truck. It's time we declared war on ISIS and ended them the way we did Saddam in the first Gulf War. The Arab armies are taking too long, many will die while we waste time.
It's not more effective, but it's cheaper.
You could do plenty of damage with just a car.
It would be hard to plough down 80 at anything other than a major gathering and there's always a danger of the lorry hitting some obstacle.
The difficulty is in finding enough martyrs. Contrary to popular belief there isn't a huge queue of them willing to die. That said, they only need 1 or 2.
For anyone with a genuine interest in the problems cause by religious fundamentalism, this article is a good place to start. It was written by a hugely courageous Muslim who is calling for a movement to bring about Islamic reform. There are a number of moderate Muslims that the knee-jerker regressive left really should listen to. These still small voices need all the help they can get, not least because they know that the largest single victim group of these madmen and their toxic creed are innocent Muslims.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/07/15/please-stop-staying-the-nice-attacks-arent-about-islam/
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/07/15/please-stop-staying-the-nice-attacks-arent-about-islam/
sir baconface
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He could just be a nutter who happens to be Muslim. As the Muslim population grows and terrorism is forever on our screens we will see loners and odd balls doing all sorts of hideous shit which will be linked to extremism.
He could. Or he could be a member of an Islamic fundamentalist movement with a track record of butchering innocent people.
The real solution of course is education and investment into the vast areas of Paris, London, Manchester and other urban areas that have become 'Muslim' ghettos churning out young disaffected men with no prospects who are easy prey for extremists to radicalise. So i will be delighted to hear all of the RWNJ's support for a policy of massive investment into the asian dominated deprived areas of Europe - who's with me?
Look forward to seeing your cost benefit analysis showing how many dozen cities, the cost of your measures and what public programmes and services will be sacrificed in order to fund it.
Or will it be the one-size-fits all fruitcake solution: "just borrow it"?
The way I see it is that we are the baddies in all this. Is 1 western life worth 100 Islamic lives? a thousand Islamic lives? We are slaughtering these people daily, we are each paying taxes for the RAF to bomb these countries and innocent people generally die with every strike, we voted, collectively, our government in power and this is the action of our government, and hence us, by proxy.
You can choose to believe in our media, our government, in that what we are doing is the humanitarian thing to do, you can choose to believe in Putin, who has recently questioned who has armed the rebels in Syria and ISIS for that matter because is wasn't the Russians. The Russians are protecting their ally, Assad, the USA and us want him dispossessed. So now we're involved, illegally again. Killing innocent people every day, again.
People think this is all religion, I think it is to a certain degree, but more political. Do you think governments that have sent literally millions of innocent people to war and death, care about 84 lives? There was a guy who posted earlier saying he carried on watching the golf, I bet they give less of a shit than that. Does anyone seriously think we are intervening in these countries for any other reason than control? We are trying to force western democracy on a sovereign states. (there was a time when we were fighting communism) To tell them they are forbidden from doing what we do by protecting themselves with nuclear weapons? When the only country who has dropped two in anger is that very same country who is leading all this? (ok atomic).
Don't get me wrong, I'm not apologising for these cunts, and the trigger man isn't usually the issue as has been discussed, and yes they are usually vulnerable, but not always. Was Osama vulnerable, born into a family worth billions (literally)? He fought the Soviets, in Afghanistan, funded by the USA, whilst they were fucking around fighting the USSR by proxy long before they moved their attention to where we are now.
This is about power and control for western governments, nothing more. We want to sit here watching shit about Kim Kardashians arse whilst our media fail to report on how many children we've accidently killed that day, or we ignore it whilst we spend the weekend with our loved ones, post our faux tears and French flags on Facebook as if it's the only atrocity committed that day.
But none of this matters, it doesn't matter because the nobody who matters wants a solution, the west want control, and the middle east want an Islamic State without Israel. There is nobody to sit around a table with, there is nobody who is going to back out.
We can sit here and talk about border control, about immigration, but it's not even relevant. Wake up and see the bigger picture.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dirty_Wars
Watch that.
Read this.
https://www.quora.com/To-what-extent-is-Al-Qaeda-a-creation-of-the-CIA
If we were trying to overthrow our own government, and the Chinese were drone striking us, I'd hate them too.
It's clearly not just as black and white as what I've just typed, and there will be people that might disagree on bits, and that's fine, this is just how I feel.
But these are not our wars, these are civil wars, if we want to get involved then that's up to our governments to decide, but yesterday was just another consequence. I remember the demonstrations about going to war in Iraq, I was fuming when Cameron decided to get involved in Syria, we need to make our voices heard or accept what is coming.
And last night, again, was heart-breaking, as will be the next one.
You can choose to believe in our media, our government, in that what we are doing is the humanitarian thing to do, you can choose to believe in Putin, who has recently questioned who has armed the rebels in Syria and ISIS for that matter because is wasn't the Russians. The Russians are protecting their ally, Assad, the USA and us want him dispossessed. So now we're involved, illegally again. Killing innocent people every day, again.
People think this is all religion, I think it is to a certain degree, but more political. Do you think governments that have sent literally millions of innocent people to war and death, care about 84 lives? There was a guy who posted earlier saying he carried on watching the golf, I bet they give less of a shit than that. Does anyone seriously think we are intervening in these countries for any other reason than control? We are trying to force western democracy on a sovereign states. (there was a time when we were fighting communism) To tell them they are forbidden from doing what we do by protecting themselves with nuclear weapons? When the only country who has dropped two in anger is that very same country who is leading all this? (ok atomic).
Don't get me wrong, I'm not apologising for these cunts, and the trigger man isn't usually the issue as has been discussed, and yes they are usually vulnerable, but not always. Was Osama vulnerable, born into a family worth billions (literally)? He fought the Soviets, in Afghanistan, funded by the USA, whilst they were fucking around fighting the USSR by proxy long before they moved their attention to where we are now.
This is about power and control for western governments, nothing more. We want to sit here watching shit about Kim Kardashians arse whilst our media fail to report on how many children we've accidently killed that day, or we ignore it whilst we spend the weekend with our loved ones, post our faux tears and French flags on Facebook as if it's the only atrocity committed that day.
But none of this matters, it doesn't matter because the nobody who matters wants a solution, the west want control, and the middle east want an Islamic State without Israel. There is nobody to sit around a table with, there is nobody who is going to back out.
We can sit here and talk about border control, about immigration, but it's not even relevant. Wake up and see the bigger picture.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dirty_Wars
Watch that.
Read this.
https://www.quora.com/To-what-extent-is-Al-Qaeda-a-creation-of-the-CIA
If we were trying to overthrow our own government, and the Chinese were drone striking us, I'd hate them too.
It's clearly not just as black and white as what I've just typed, and there will be people that might disagree on bits, and that's fine, this is just how I feel.
But these are not our wars, these are civil wars, if we want to get involved then that's up to our governments to decide, but yesterday was just another consequence. I remember the demonstrations about going to war in Iraq, I was fuming when Cameron decided to get involved in Syria, we need to make our voices heard or accept what is coming.
And last night, again, was heart-breaking, as will be the next one.
Walid Hamou, a cousin of Bouhlel's wife Hajer Khalfallah , told MailOnline: 'Bouhlel was not religious. He did not go to the mosque, he did not pray, he did not observe Ramadan.'He drank alcohol, ate pork and took drugs. This is all forbidden under Islam. He was not a Muslim, he was a s***". He beat his wife, my cousin, he was a nasty piece of work"