Two faced city fans

[mancityvstoke]

(Some) Borussia Monchengladbach fans ain't angels trust me

 

[DD]

I think you're ignoring the fact this isn't Germany and our way is different to many others on the continent.
I don't want to be nice to other fans once we're in the ground. I don't want to be side by side. I want the world to get on despite their difference of opinion but not when it comes to football. Take the rivalry away and the game loses its soul.

Interstingly, if you go to Germany, their opinion is that their game has soul whereas ours lost our soul many years ago.

The game loses it's soul when you charge £60 for tickets and have a bland, soulless atmosphere like we do most weeks. Their grounds still have atmosphere. Ours only comes out for a couple of minutes when we're winning.

 

[Tim of the Oak]

Sit in 211 loads of germans all great craic and no bother at all made the game for me last night (lets not forget until seville scored most fans had this game down as dead rubber as we thought Juve will score)

People who were trying to get them kick out were a joke they were doing no harm they werent millwall or united fans just normal fans like me and you who wanted to watch there team
Even when we went 3-2 up and their hopes for europa league had gone they were sound

I completely agree with OP some blues were a joke last night
and if anyone says they shouldnt be in our end try remember the year we were in div 2 and every away game we had loads of blues in the home end
and if anyone says they shouldnt celebrate cask your minds back to Schalke and Hamburg away when we scored loads of blues jumped up or at Blackburn away when we all celebrating in their end no trouble

I would rather be sat next to 4 germans who were happy to have a good chat about the match and were asking about our songs when we sung them than an empty seat or some clown singing german bombers or in-ger-land

Maybe if we behaved like they did last night we wouldnt get treated like cattle or scum by the authorities when we play away

Bollox with your last para. The vast majority of Blues just go to the match and enjoy the game.

 

[Phil1]

Interstingly, if you go to Germany, their opinion is that their game has soul whereas ours lost our soul many years ago.

The game loses it's soul when you charge £60 for tickets and have a bland, soulless atmosphere like we do most weeks. Their grounds still have atmosphere. Ours only comes out for a couple of minutes when we're winning.

I can't disagree too much in regards to the pricing of games and the definite lack of atmosphere that comes from it.
I just can't agree that the best way forward is for opposite fans to be side by side on the terraces. I know it's probably an outdated opinion in some minds but for me, half the enjoyment of the game is the rivalry and what goes with it.

 

[S Trainor]

I was in SS Block 115, should've been sat in seat 388 Row C but couldn't as there were 60-100 BGM taking up that section. It was back and forth they gave as much as they got. It's up there with one of the best atmospheres I've experienced they were impressive.

Half the chants and frustration was aimed at how poor the security was and how long it took for stewards/police to do something. "Shall we do, Shall we do, Shall we do your job for you.." But having said that it's appalling that they even got into our section as people have said they weren't hiding the fact they were BGM fans, hats and scarves. Imagine going to a team like Galatasaray/Juventus and sitting in the home end and cheering - you'd definitely end up worse for wear.

 

[paulchapo]

has anyone challenged the club directly yet on what happened? For so many to be in there they have not just bought the odd ticket here and there,someone has sold them en block by the looks of things.

 

[northstander62]

there was a few in south stand upper, jumped up when they scored,1 had his seat kicked several times, a blue was moaning to security and threatening the lads behind me, I told him to leave them alone, my reason, whenever I been to Germany with city, schalke, Dortmund, hamburg, munich, gladbach and around dusseldorf, I and friends have been in city centre bars and pubs by grounds and never had a problem, having a great laugh in a pissed up way trying to understand each other. at the end of the game I turned around and shook their hands, they seemed a little surprised. however if they were rags, scousers or cockneys then its a different ball game

 

[davymcfc]

there was a few in south stand upper, jumped up when they scored,1 had his seat kicked several times, a blue was moaning to security and threatening the lads behind me, I told him to leave them alone, my reason, whenever I been to Germany with city, schalke, Dortmund, hamburg, munich, gladbach and around dusseldorf, I and friends have been in city centre bars and pubs by grounds and never had a problem, having a great laugh in a pissed up way trying to understand each other. at the end of the game I turned around and shook their hands, they seemed a little surprised. however if they were rags, scousers or cockneys then its a different ball game

We were saying the very same last night. The Germans have been very hospitable whenever we have traveled and they were only there to support their team. As DD also quite rightly says fans of opposite teams are mixed together for most games in certain areas of the stadium.

 

[Where is Gerry Gow?]

Whoah! picture the situation, Me & my 2 lads s/card holders 115 bottom tier South stand. I arrive @ the match Germans in our seats got told to move over to 114. My 2 lads got to there seats but were hustled to the front row. I texd 1 of my lads asking where he was? I tried to move back over to our seats in 115 & down to the front row but had no chance of meeting up with them! That is why I was so frustrated in taking it out on the AWAY fans being in the home fans section!

 

[Keepingthefaithsince1976]

One thing that everyone keeps ignoring here.

In Germany itself this happens in every single game. I've even known Dortmund v Schalke to have a section next to the away fans where you have half an d half support. In that section there is never any bother. Why can they behave there, yet seemingly not here, or maybe it is actually those that aren't used to it that can't behave, because that's the way it appeared to me last night.

Could it be that people actually learn good manners and how to behave when confronted with this thing more often?

Fulham have a neutral section. There never seems to be bother there too.

One thing is for sure, nobody can say that the odd grey area where fans are mixed destroys the atmosphere in Germany.

At the end of the day, yes there might have been some German knob heads in our end, but the vast majority weren't. There really are no excuses for any City fan to verbally abuse and physically threaten peaceful middle aged blokes or teenage girls, though, which I did see happen at one point last night.

Segregation won't ever leave the game, because there are far too many dunderheads around for that to happen, but should people stray across the boundaries, there is no need to beat them up, no need to get yourself worked up to the verge of having a stroke, and there's no need to call in stewards like some sad Evertonian crying about a player's celebration. They're just football fans like us, acting like ours (but probably more civil) when we are abroad, taking up home seats and keeping far from quiet about it. More over, they are there for a good time and do not deserve treating like criminals.

I always remember going to Anfield and loads of us dotted about everywhere going mental when Niall Quinn levelled it in injury time and Scousers coming up to us, shaking us by the hand and congratulating us on a great performance. For me, those moments are so much more memorable than getting a coin in my head for celebrating a goal in similar circumstances. Maybe that's just me gone soft, but I just live in a world where people get on despite their differences of opinion. I get the feeling that some on here should try it for themselves.

Nice one DD. Great to hear. I went in the away ends at Chelsea, Liverpool and Arsenal. The only time I got hassle was when I had a few beers before Chelsea & jumped up when we scored. Spat on, shouted at, pushed over etc. Bunch of knobs. Who cares where fans are from or support. It's a flippin game of footy not World war 3!!!

 

[halpo123]

In the Stretford End in 92 when Curle scored the penalty to make it 1-1 there must have been 100 blues stood at the back going mental, we've all done it and I had no beef with the Germans in with us at 101/102 last night, good natured lads.

i was one of them sat with two reds and one blue ,arms aloft i couldnt help myself.Surprisingly i got a few glares but more people took it in good humour

 

[Innsbruckblue]

At Bayern in the CL in 2013, me and the missus got tickets for the Bayern end. Walked in amongst them all with our City scarves on, no hassle. Went two down inside 5 minutes and had a crack with the home fans. We scored our first, I jumped out of my seat, cheering. Same for the second. When the third went in, I went mental. No hassle, no trouble, just had a good craic with the home fans.
The way it should be, and the majority of German football fans are brilliant.
So what if they were in our end? Get a fuckin life, and enjoy the football and meeting people from other cultures.
Anyone who feels the need to fight them, needs to grow up.

 

[bammy blue]

Surely something like this would be easy to sort out for the club with regards to champions league away teams fans buying tickets in the home end. Why don't the club just have a policy where you have to of purchased 5 or more tickets for domestic home fixtures before you can purchase a champions league home ticket? Also might encourage some of the fans who only tip up to watch a champions league game to come to some of our less desirable league and cup games.

 

[Scaring Europe to Death]

At Bayern in the CL in 2013, me and the missus got tickets for the Bayern end. Walked in amongst them all with our City scarves on, no hassle. Went two down inside 5 minutes and had a crack with the home fans. We scored our first, I jumped out of my seat, cheering. Same for the second. When the third went in, I went mental. No hassle, no trouble, just had a good craic with the home fans.
The way it should be, and the majority of German football fans are brilliant.
So what if they were in our end? Get a fuckin life, and enjoy the football and meeting people from other cultures.
Anyone who feels the need to fight them, needs to grow up.

I don’t have a problem with BMG fans in our end, particularly as so many City fans couldn’t be arsed attending.

However, I also think that there was some German naivety over how our more excitable fans might react.

Earlier this season I attended the Cologne-BMG fixture, which after Dortmund-Schalke is supposed to be the biggest rivalry in the Bundesliga.

Our seats were virtually on the segregation barrier, but there were dozens of BMG fans in the Cologne end. They wore colours and much to our amusement, joined in with all the bouncing and chanting.

In England, we call that taking liberties, so City were always going to react more aggressively than Cologne.

It’s wrong, as just like yourself, I was sat in the Bayern end for the 3-2 game. Also, I was on the front row when Petrov scored in the Nou Camp, and didn’t experience any problems.

In my experience, the Germans are the friendliest European opponents, so we should go out of our way to reciprocate,

However, If they are really being stupid, then we should let the Police/Stewards do their job

 

[Scaring Europe to Death]

Surely something like this would be easy to sort out for the club with regards to champions league away teams fans buying tickets in the home end. Why don't the club just have a policy where you have to of purchased 5 or more tickets for domestic home fixtures before you can purchase a champions league home ticket? Also might encourage some of the fans who only tip up to watch a champions league game to come to some of our less desirable league and cup games.

Unless I'm mistaken that was the original system, but it was too difficult for a casual supporter to buy a ticket, even though the game was by no means a sell out.
City then went completely the other way, and started to copy United.
Now we get higher crowds than we've ever experienced in Europe, but you only have to listen to the accents, or observe the cameras flashing, to realise that there's a new breed of spectator.

 

[bammy blue]

Unless I'm mistaken that was the original system, but it was too difficult for a casual supporter to buy a ticket, even though the game was by no means a sell out.
City then went completely the other way, and started to copy United.
Now we get higher crowds than we've ever experienced in Europe, but you only have to listen to the accents, or observe the cameras flashing, to realise that there's a new breed of spectator.

Yeah I don't really mind the new tourist spectators as long as they get behind the lads in blue and not just come to take pictures of a certain greasy haired Portuguese...

Maybe going back to the older system might get them to come along more often and build a better relation with our club!

 

[Trolleyhead]

Really glad some of you lot weren't around in the 70s and 80s the Kippax would have been Red.

 

[Vic]

Unfortunately segregation at football matches is vital, we've seen it now for over 40 years.
It's football not cricket or rugby......unfortunately.

I used to enjoy watching from the end we were attacking - then walking round to the other end at half-time, sometimes along the side of the pitch. The idiots looking for a scrap ended that civilised behaviour, and now that we're used to segregation people seem to be more annoyed by infiltrators because they're not supposed to be there.

 

[Shirley]

I used to enjoy watching from the end we were attacking - then walking round to the other end at half-time, sometimes along the side of the pitch. The idiots looking for a scrap ended that civilised behaviour, and now that we're used to segregation people seem to be more annoyed by infiltrators because they're not supposed to be there.

I enjoyed also but remember that was at the smaller clubs such as Huddersfield who didn't have an "Kop end" as such in them days. We could not have done that at the swamp, Anfield, Goodison or any of the top London clubs?
I understand your nostalgia but football and hooliganism have been together for many many years.
The scousers were wrecking trains in the 50's.

 

[S Trainor]

Stick to the family stand. You've not got the minerals for the South Stand or Kippax.