UEFA FFP investigation - CAS decision to be announced Monday, 13th July 9.30am BST

[andyhinch]

Anyone care any more ?

 

[kaz7]

UEFA said they would or won't make some things public dependant on whether or not we appeal?

I think it was @Prestwich_Blue that said it,it has been written down somewhere

 

[I'm With Stupid]

On the BBC it also says that in lodging the appeal City also need to ask for the ban to be set aside until the appeal is heard or the punishment will still apply.

Seems a bit odd? We ask and could be told sorry but no?

I think in theory yes, but they'd open themselves up to a huge lawsuit if the ban was then overturned by CAS.

 

[City Man]

I think during the appeal period the ban is frozen.
So if the appeal takes say 12 months then we will be in next season.
Unless someone knows otherwise?

If CAS decides in UEFA's favour we can (and I highly suspect would) take it to the Swiss courts. In which case UEFA would have to suspend the ban as the damages if we win in the Swiss courts would run into £100's of millions otherwise.

As I understand it, from what I read somewhere, recourse to the Swiss court can only be made on the basis of technical/procedural flaws during the CAS case, not the substance of the case itself. I'm open to correction but if this is right, then anyone holding out hoped for a further appeal except on procedural irregularities can forget it.

That sounds good but is it fact or your opinion? Has any club taken UEFA to this court previously and had sanctions suspended?

There seems to be unsurprisingly a lot of speculation on here about CAS and Swiss courts. For those interested (and please don't let this get in the way of a good rant) the CAS website has a handy FAQ section:

https://www.tas-cas.org/en/general-information/frequently-asked-questions.html#c198

For those insufficiently arsed to read through this, the following two extracts might be useful in the context of some previous posts:

How long does CAS arbitration last ?

The ordinary procedure lasts between 6 and 12 months.
For the appeals procedure, [City's case as I understand it] an award must be pronounced within three months after the transfer of the file to the Panel.
In urgent cases and upon request, the CAS may, within a very short time, order interim measures or suspend the execution of a decision appealed against.

Is it possible to appeal against a CAS award ?

Judicial recourse to the Swiss Federal Tribunal [Switzerland's Supreme Court I believe] is allowed on a very limited number of grounds, such as lack of jurisdiction, violation of elementary procedural rules (e.g. violation of the right to a fair hearing) or incompatibility with public policy.

 

[Dibs MarshKinkladzeSilva]

Genuinely if any blues come across Conn in public, punch him.

Smash his nerdy looking glasses into his ugly fucking face.

Sorry, can't see how this warrants this response, sure he's written a shocker there, but City need to be bigger than calls for violence like this no? Liverpool fans might endorse throwing bricks and violence and the like, but not a true blue to my mind. Just my opinion.

 

[Stevieatlasblue]

Genuinely if any blues come across Conn in public, punch him.

Smash his nerdy looking glasses into his ugly fucking face.

Another journalist going into the Herbert gallery of shame

 

[purplenose]

On the BBC it also says that in lodging the appeal City also need to ask for the ban to be set aside until the appeal is heard or the punishment will still apply.

Seems a bit odd? We ask and could be told sorry but no?

In theory I think yes.

In reality I am sure it would be a formality.

 

[Manx Blue]

If I may ask a question to someone who is far more knowledgeable than I, and I apologise if this briefly slows this juggernaut of a thread.

The club said the relevant accounts were a matter of relulatory record as they had been passed by Companies House etc.

If **** say we have bent the rules, could we see a regulatory investigation by say, the SFO being undertaken?

If not, surely **** don't have a leg to stand on at CAS???

 

[SebastianBlue]

UEFA said they would or won't make some things public dependant on whether or not we appeal?

I think it was @Prestwich_Blue that said it,it has been written down somewhere

Which will mean absolutely nothing when we file our case in court.

 

[kaz7]

Yeah, sorry Karen but I'm not sure what you're saying there either chuck.

I've tagged PB i think it was him

 

[quiet_riot]

We need a reworking of the 35 years and we're still here song we used to belt out in defiance when we won fuck all. I'm sure it can be tweaked to take in our present predicament.

"Banned for 2 years" fits exactly where "35 years" went.

 

[xgorton]

I'll play vicky so long as we can alter the story a bit to allow for my aggressive side

Made in Benidorm if it's Vicky.

 

[jamiecav]

I can offer data analytics support for a very nominal fee. ;-)

Sorted all round!

 

[bobbyowenquiff]

He’s quoted a screen shot off Bluemoon on Twitter. Is that even allowed???? @Ric

Not only that Harris has selectively edited the Bluemoon screengrab to distort the meaning of the posts. He is claiming that some City fans are turning on the owners but the forum posts are much more measured. Harris is just a Twitter troll but a retweet by the BBC Online Sports Editor Roan endorses Harris's twisted views and reaches a big audience. Roan damages our club by retweeting content from trolls (giving them credibility) This is not the job of the BBC. On a more positive note it does show that this forum has some influence.

 

[SebastianBlue]

I'll play vicky so long as we can alter the story a bit to allow for my aggressive side

Fairly sure @mat will want to play Chappy.

 

[Ban-jani]

Sorry, can't see how this warrants this response, sure he's written a shocker there, but City need to be bigger than calls for violence like this no? Liverpool fans might endorse throwing bricks and violence and the like, but not a true blue to my mind. Just my opinion.

You can only poke the bear so much without getting a response.

I’m just saying if you see him, slap him.

 

[FogBlueInSanFran]

As I understand it, from what I read somewhere, recourse to the Swiss court can only be made on the basis of technical/procedural flaws during the CAS case, not the substance of the case itself. I'm open to correction but if this is right, then anyone holding out hoped for a further appeal except on procedural irregularities can forget it.



There seems to be unsurprisingly a lot of speculation on here about CAS and Swiss courts. For those interested (and please don't let this get in the way of a good rant) the CAS website has a handy FAQ section:

https://www.tas-cas.org/en/general-information/frequently-asked-questions.html#c198

For those insufficiently arsed to read through this, the following two extracts might be useful in the context of some previous posts:

How long does CAS arbitration last ?

The ordinary procedure lasts between 6 and 12 months.
For the appeals procedure, [City's case as I understand it] an award must be pronounced within three months after the transfer of the file to the Panel.
In urgent cases and upon request, the CAS may, within a very short time, order interim measures or suspend the execution of a decision appealed against.

Is it possible to appeal against a CAS award ?

Judicial recourse to the Swiss Federal Tribunal [Switzerland's Supreme Court I believe] is allowed on a very limited number of grounds, such as lack of jurisdiction, violation of elementary procedural rules (e.g. violation of the right to a fair hearing) or incompatibility with public policy.

Isn’t the issue that knowing CAS can’t be overturned, City would just sue UEFA on a restraint of trade basis to dismantle FFP in full? The doctrine of mutually-assured destruction?

 

[bluemanchester]

Made in Benidorm if it's Vicky.

No, everything will stick then.

 

[kaz7]

Anyone care any more ?

Oh yeah i love a good fight and after brexit and the election it's great we are all on the same side

 

[aguerooooo]

THANK FCUK for Martin Samuel of the Mail nearly always pro blue and fu to that footballing legend Jermaine jenas who has put Sierling and KDB on the transfer list if this does go tits up i fear a scouse domination similar to 80s