UEFA Independent Inquiry

[jrb]

It would have been easier to get in with a ZX Spectrum hot wired to a turnstiles.

 

[jrb]

Not if the security breach was in the Liverpool FC ticket office - which I suspect is the most likely source. All it would take is for for someone in that office to go and photocopy a load of tickets and put them back where they found them. They really need to look at their own security.

Or City’s security?

 

[Brightwell Bros.]

At the Real semi final names were printed on tickets and checked against passports, and I know at least one person who chanced it and was turned away. The easiest thing to do, surely, would be something similar?

Having read the athletic/times reports, listening to a few eyewitness, and chatted to a few scousers while in Paris, I suspect the report will claim:

- There were some fake tickets, but these have been radically overstated by French authorities.
- That locals were jumping gates, but these have been overstated by British media.
- That there weren't enough gates, the route was poorly organized, and the system broke down too quickly from the pressures above.
- That the police overreacted to the system breaking down.

There's a bit too much glee, and a few too many willing to take Uefa/Paris police's side of the story, due to our rivalry. We'll see, though, I suppose.

 

[jimharri]

Not if the security breach was in the Liverpool FC ticket office - which I suspect is the most likely source. All it would take is for for someone in that office to go and photocopy a load of tickets and put them back where they found them. They really need to look at their own security.

How the hell can you accuse anyone connected with Liverpool FC (©"This Means More™) of doing anything dishonest?

 

[Bantamgaz]

Oh just do us all a favour and serve them with a ban what you gonna do wait till it happens again and punish every English club because yet AGAIN they can’t act right ????
Everyone with half a brain knew what was coming up on Saturday robbing tickets off each other ....... trying to break into the ground or using fake tickets is anyone shocked at this ????
The only shocking thing is the same club whose supporters have witnessed two tragedies still continue to act the same ...............they don’t care about anyone not even there own fans they must have know these fake tickets where gonna cause issues for folk who have gone and bought the real ones............ do they care that it maybe be families they are denying??????
Nope not a care in the world so please UEFA just punish them why should other English clubs be tarnished along side them

 

[Trevor Morley's Tache]

At the Real semi final names were printed on tickets and checked against passports, and I know at least one person who chanced it and was turned away. The easiest thing to do, surely, would be something similar?

Having read the athletic/times reports, listening to a few eyewitness, and chatted to a few scousers while in Paris, I suspect the report will claim:

- There were some fake tickets, but these have been radically overstated by French authorities.
- That locals were jumping gates, but these have been overstated by British media.
- That there weren't enough gates, the route was poorly organized, and the system broke down too quickly from the pressures above.
- That the police overreacted to the system breaking down.

There's a bit too much glee, and a few too many willing to take Uefa/Paris police's side of the story, due to our rivalry. We'll see, though, I suppose.

Not having it - There indication of industrial scale counterfeit tickets just from anecdotal evidence and social media posts.

 

[Bantamgaz]

At the Real semi final names were printed on tickets and checked against passports, and I know at least one person who chanced it and was turned away. The easiest thing to do, surely, would be something similar?

Having read the athletic/times reports, listening to a few eyewitness, and chatted to a few scousers while in Paris, I suspect the report will claim:

- There were some fake tickets, but these have been radically overstated by French authorities.
- That locals were jumping gates, but these have been overstated by British media.
- That there weren't enough gates, the route was poorly organized, and the system broke down too quickly from the pressures above.
- That the police overreacted to the system breaking down.

There's a bit too much glee, and a few too many willing to take Uefa/Paris police's side of the story, due to our rivalry. We'll see, though, I suppose.

Nothing to do with rivalry it’s history that backs there antics up ........... to many times over the last few decades this has happened at the majority of the time it’s one club that’s at the centre of it all

 

[Chris in London]

Can you just clarify that it is indeed a possibility to copy the QR code, stick it on a fake ticket, and for that QR code to scan through the turnstile ok if used before the real one, which in turn renders the real ticket (being scanned later) invalid? Reason being that I'm just having a discussion with a Liverpool fan on Twitter and trying to explain to him a possible reason as to why his mum's (genuine) ticket didn't scan.

The QR code has nothing to do with it. The QR code is just like a password or code number. What matters is what the computer system does with the QR code when it gets it.

If you've been to a pub for something to eat, you may have used a QR code to access the menu. So do literally hundreds of other people, because the QR code is just a quick way of accessing that particular part of the pub's website. (It would be a bit shit if these were single use codes.) Same if you've been to a museum or zoo and there is a QR code that leads you to a site with more information.

Other QR codes allow multiple uses for different functions because that is what their computers do. If you have flown within Europe, you probably used the QR code on your boarding pass to get airside (so accessing one database) before using the code when you bought something at the duty free shop (accessing a different database) before using it again at the gate (accessing the airline's database of travellers on that flight). The code on your boarding pass is unique to you but it can be used in different situations for different purposes. Also, if you download your mate's boarding card (because you booked the flights) you can screenshot his boarding card to him and the QR code will work off his phone even though you first downloaded it on to yours.

QR codes on tickets are a bit like passwords. Provided a valid QR code is shown to the scanner, it can't tell whether what it's being shown is an original ticket or a knock-off. In the same way that if someone inputs the right 4 numbers for your bank card the ATM can't tell whether it's you inputting them or someone else. (Yes I know there are cameras inside, that's different.) What the computer connected to the QR scanner can do is tell you whether that code has already been used. If it hasn't, it will allow entry. If it has, it will not.

It is possible that there was just a glitch in the system and that's why his mum's QR code didn't scan, because it just wasn't reading a valid code. It's also possible that the same QR code had already been used on a snide ticket.

 

[bobbyowenquiff]

At the Real semi final names were printed on tickets and checked against passports, and I know at least one person who chanced it and was turned away. The easiest thing to do, surely, would be something similar?

Having read the athletic/times reports, listening to a few eyewitness, and chatted to a few scousers while in Paris, I suspect the report will claim:

- There were some fake tickets, but these have been radically overstated by French authorities.
- That locals were jumping gates, but these have been overstated by British media.
- That there weren't enough gates, the route was poorly organized, and the system broke down too quickly from the pressures above.
- That the police overreacted to the system breaking down.

There's a bit too much glee, and a few too many willing to take Uefa/Paris police's side of the story, due to our rivalry. We'll see, though, I suppose.

I don't think your prediction will be far out. It looks like there were at least a couple of thousand fakes which is bad enough. That said it seems very strange for a French Government Minister to claim there were 40,000 fakes. Being so definite about a figure leaves him open to losing his job when he could have been a bit more cautious. Certainly the French will have to provide some evidence. Some Liverpool fans are obviously culpable but you can't blame those who missed the match because of the twats who jibbed in. I have seen the French police in action before. They are the worst in Europe in my view (worse even than those in Madrid). I also believe Paris is one of the worst places to host any event because crime is out of control there and the streets are not safe. Most of the locals treat visitors with contempt especially English ones.

 

[Brightwell Bros.]

Not having it - There indication of industrial scale counterfeit tickets just from anecdotal evidence and social media posts.

All I've seen is a couple of screengrabs of the same one or two posts. If they really were as widespread then it won't be difficult for the inquiry to identify that. I'm more than happy to wait and see how it plays out.