UEFA Independent Inquiry

jrb said:
One more point. If that had been City fans the Scousers would be loving it. Not only did City get beat in the final, their fans got done as well. There wouldn't have been an ounce of sympathy from the Scousers.
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That's ok... the scummy twats aren't getting an ounce of sympathy off me!! I'm loving it
 
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jrb said:
One more point. If that had been City fans the Scousers would be loving it. Not only did City get beat in the final, their fans got done as well. There wouldn't have been an ounce of sympathy from the Scousers.
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They would be revelling in it, to be fair as some of us are and most of the rest of the football world. Anyone who's had to put up with the scousers at football will be giving zero fucks. Actually anyone who's had to put up with them on planes or holiday resorts will feel the same too.
 
On behalf of the footballing wirld, I ask, no demand,
1. An immediate apology from UEFA to Liverpool
2. An immediate apology from President Pompidou.
3. An immediate apology from that fit woman who did the Brexit thing,
4. The match is replayed, at Anfield, with no feral Spanish fans there so that decent law abiding fans will feel safe in attending in their 104,000's
 
M18CTID said:
The Real Madrid statement seems to focus more on their fans being attacked and mugged by locals rather than the police. As bad as that is - and as each day goes by I feel more and more that we as fans dodged a bullet by not getting to the final as no doubt we’d have been targeted too - did these attacks happen inside or outside the stadium? If it was outside then surely that falls outside UEFA’s remit.

Also, I found this part of the BBC article amusing:

“However, the match was delayed by more than half an hour and Liverpool fans have described heavy-handed policing, organisational chaos and overcrowding at the showpiece game”

Regarding the overcrowding, maybe Liverpool fans need to look a little closer to home as to who was responsible for that.
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Yep. Ticket fraud on the scale we have seen, with the tweets and other evidence of whole packets of them in batches, is organised criminality. Liverpool is a hotbed for such organised crime, everyone knows this and every police force in the country and the NCA know this.
It will have been dipper fans local to the city who have caused this mess by turning up to the ground with known fakes with the sole intention of power in numbers and causing a mass fuss so that they are just let in. It didn't go their way as planned because French police do not fuck about.
The issue I'm driving at is this; the honest dipper fans who had tickets and couldn't get in, got caught in the unpleasantness outside, or had some snide cunts sat in their seats, will likely not be local to Miseryside. Those fakes will have likely gone to those with links to the area. The natives have fucked it up for the other 'special fans' for whom supporting Liverpool means more blah blah blah. And those locals who did this could have caused problems which could easily have been so much worse, and as a club and fan base they should know only too well the dangers of that.
 
jrb said:
That Scouse video.

Over 1000 men. It was a scence from the WALKING DEAD. Is he talking about Liverpool fans after they lost the final?

Like others I have absolutely no sympathy for Liverpool fans. For over 50 years they have been rampaging all over Europe, especially at the finals, robbing people, looting shops, fighting with other fans and locals, jibbing in over tunrstiles, climbing fences and walls to get inside stadiums, getting stadium entrances locked, whilst their own fans are outside with genuine tickets, pushing people into fountains, masturbating naked on fountains, throwing slabs on peoples heads, attacking other teams coaches with bricks, bottles, etc, trashing their own city, setting the Liver Building alight, attacking emergency services, firing fireworks at each other, getting English teams banned from Europe, and killing 39 Juventus fans. And they want sympathy and justice. Yeah right!
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Some might call it Karma.
 
M12Blue said:
Complete f#ck up that game from all involved. Looking at the video footage is grim, and wouldn't really wish that on the majority of the fans present.
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Cant agree more as football fans we should stand by innocent match goers who have their kids with them and have to protect them from tear gas and robbin yoofs. Never excusing those dippers who love a bit of hassle and selgishly selling on fakes..so much for looking after their own. But those innocent supporters ..we should show our support.
 
M12Blue said:
Complete f#ck up that game from all involved. Looking at the video footage is grim, and wouldn't really wish that on the majority of the fans present.
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Ian Blake said:
Cant agree more as football fans we should stand by innocent match goers who have their kids with them and have to protect them from tear gas and robbin yoofs. Never excusing those dippers who love a bit of hassle and selgishly selling on fakes..so much for looking after their own. But those innocent supporters ..we should show our support.
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I agree with this. Anyone who has been on an European away with City will know that the police abroad, particularly in Spain and France, can be pretty indiscriminate in their actions at times. Whatever your feelings about Liverpool as a club, you shouldn't want to see innocent match going fans getting tear-gassed, robbed or beaten.

As for who is culpable for what happened at the Stade de France, it's not really a binary question. I don't think you can solely blame the Liverpool fans, but equally absolving them of any guilt (as the media have been quick to do) is ridiculous. There's a lot of contributory factors, going all the way back to Klopp encouraging ticketless fans to turn up in their droves. Add to that the amount of fake tickets circulating, the lawless element of Liverpool's support, the issues with local gangs, UEFA incompetence and some heavy handed policing then it's no great surprise that there were significant problems on the night. Thankfully no-one was seriously hurt, but all sides need to accept some responsibility for what happened rather than seeking to shift the blame.
 
Ian Blake said:
Cant agree more as football fans we should stand by innocent match goers who have their kids with them and have to protect them from tear gas and robbin yoofs. Never excusing those dippers who love a bit of hassle and selgishly selling on fakes..so much for looking after their own. But those innocent supporters ..we should show our support.
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Lovely, warm, frothy sentiments, but they are thick as thieves from that city. Those "innocent supporters" can't even, once again, criticise those that have brought shame upon their own club, but we're expected to show sympathy.
 
No fan base not even them should have to be the target of large gangs of muggers and pickpockets that were waiting for them as they got off at Metro stations. The Police should have fucked them all off, they had no business being there. They picked individuals off indescriminently to beat up and rob of phones, money and tickets with seemingly Police ambivalence and apathy.
The organisation was clearly piss poor to deal with the inevitable fake tickets storm, that social media watchers should clearly have picked up on, was going to be a problem.
Resorting to tear gassing crowds of people, mostly innocents, reeks of no alternative plan to deal with the easily foreseeable problems.
Utter incompetence mixed with scouse hubris and unaccountability for anything was only ever going to result in what we got.
 
Ric said:
I agree with this. Anyone who has been on an European away with City will know that the police abroad, particularly in Spain and France, can be pretty indiscriminate in their actions at times. Whatever your feelings about Liverpool as a club, you shouldn't want to see innocent match going fans getting tear-gassed, robbed or beaten.

As for who is culpable for what happened at the Stade de France, it's not really a binary question. I don't think you can solely blame the Liverpool fans, but equally absolving them of any guilt (as the media have been quick to do) is ridiculous. There's a lot of contributory factors, going all the way back to Klopp encouraging ticketless fans to turn up in their droves. Add to that the amount of fake tickets circulating, the lawless element of Liverpool's support, the issues with local gangs, UEFA incompetence and some heavy handed policing then it's no great surprise that there were significant problems on the night. Thankfully no-one was seriously hurt, but all sides need to accept some responsibility for what happened rather than seeking to shift the blame.
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Totally agree...so many factors including selfish 'fans' depriving their own... but the meeja blatantly ignores it. No outraged comnent from the presenter after hearing that lad brazenly saying he had someone elses seat...anazing
 
Psychedelic Casual said:
Now, this, I do have sympathy with them for. They were getting robbed and battered all through the night by gangs of North African/Arabian/African Parisian youths by all accounts.

But it’s a completely different issue to the fake tickets and tickletless fans getting into the stadium whether they were scanned in or forced entry or pretended to be UEFA staff or jibbed in with mates/family.
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If only the police hadnt been engaged with other matters they could have dealt with the robbing Parisean scum.
Other matters being thousands of jibbers, fake tickets, feral scouse scum fighting everyone, you know, other matters.
As soon as they heard 100k scouse were coming, every street gang in France, never mind Paris will have got on a train.
I also hope posters don't make this a race thing it wasn't black African against White people.
It was robbers v rob ergh feral sc, ergh scousers.
 
From 2007. They seemed reluctant to accept any accountability back then too, even though some of them stole tickets from their own fans to get in:

www.theguardian.com

Football: Leaked Uefa report condemns Liverpool fans as 'worst behaved in Europe'

A leaked Uefa report has branded Liverpool's fans the "worst behaved in Europe", stating they have been involved in 25 separate disturbances at European away games since 2003.
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
 
Kinkys Left Foot said:
No fan base not even them should have to be the target of large gangs of muggers and pickpockets that were waiting for them as they got off at Metro stations. The Police should have fucked them all off, they had no business being there. They picked individuals off indescriminently to beat up and rob of phones, money and tickets with seemingly Police ambivalence and apathy.
The organisation was clearly piss poor to deal with the inevitable fake tickets storm, that social media watchers should clearly have picked up on, was going to be a problem.
Resorting to tear gassing crowds of people, mostly innocents, reeks of no alternative plan to deal with the easily foreseeable problems.
Utter incompetence mixed with scouse hubris and unaccountability for anything was only ever going to result in what we got.
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Digital tickets that Real Madrid fans had would have stooped a large amount of problems that Liverpool fans and Liverpool Football Club caused.

Once again, why did Liverpool Football Club insist on paper tickets?

You don't have to be a genius to work that out.

Has anyone from Liverpool Football Club explained why they insisted on paper tickets yet? Are Liverpool Football Club going to answer that question?

Not directly relevant to the Paris incidents, but. Think back to the behaviour of Liverpool Football Club that led to the City coach being attacked.
 
Hypothetical I know.

Here's a thought that nobody has mentioned yet.

Imagine if PSG had reached the final against City or Liverpool, and PSG had lost. What happened between the Scousers, Real Madrid fans, the local youth, and the Parisian (riot) Police would have been nothing in compariosn to what would have happened if PSG had got to the final and lost.

Paris got off lightly.
 
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