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sir baconface
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hilts said:MCFCTrick said:Damocles said:How?
Having sisters/girlfriends even mothers regularly being spat at and called 'white whores', and told 'you know you want it' not just at night, but in broad daylight in the town centre.
Being told in parks (Alexander and Werneth) to 'get the fuck out, you white c*nts aren't welcome here' .....agian regularly.
It kind of gives you a different perspective on our 'multicultured' society....
I await the excuses from the liberals.....but sorry, there can't be any.
NB, I am in a mix race marriage, so forget the 'racist' tag being thrown...
In fairness there will be plenty of asians who get dogs abuse from white people and because of this have a dislike for white people, this how racism breeds, if an asian called me all the names under the sun, i would just think he was a dick, i wouldnt blame the next asian guy i came across
Abuse comes from both sides and we should beware of tarring whole groups. Nevertheless it can't be helpful to pile more bodies into communities with high unemployment and social divisions. Shutting down the debate doesn't make the issue go away. On the contrary.
This only seems to affect the political class directly when the demand for new housing spills into an area near them. Then the cries of "not in my back yard" are deafening.
The immigration debate has become tied in with multi-culturalism and anti-social behaviour.
Regarding multi-culturalism, this has a variety of pros and cons but the main factor is the response from the regular incumbents of a country and the attitude of the incoming migrants, regardless of race or religion.
Regarding anti-social behaviour, this can come from all walks of society and can be influenced by racial, religious and/or upbringing factors.
Simply, immigration when dealt with and organised properly works, but in the case of our country it's been a mixed bag. The debate of immigration has always caused controversy, from the Irish in the 1800's to the present day. The one thing history has shown us is that we can count on leftists to side with incoming migrants and those on the right to side with the country's regulars.
On top of that, there is of course the knuckle-dragging bigotry of some who hate the idea of immigration but that's not to say that all migrants are hard-working, delightful and respecting people because one of society's problems regarding immigration and multi-culturalism is how certain sections of migrant communities have been somewhat abrasive to existing cultures.
Regarding multi-culturalism, this has a variety of pros and cons but the main factor is the response from the regular incumbents of a country and the attitude of the incoming migrants, regardless of race or religion.
Regarding anti-social behaviour, this can come from all walks of society and can be influenced by racial, religious and/or upbringing factors.
Simply, immigration when dealt with and organised properly works, but in the case of our country it's been a mixed bag. The debate of immigration has always caused controversy, from the Irish in the 1800's to the present day. The one thing history has shown us is that we can count on leftists to side with incoming migrants and those on the right to side with the country's regulars.
On top of that, there is of course the knuckle-dragging bigotry of some who hate the idea of immigration but that's not to say that all migrants are hard-working, delightful and respecting people because one of society's problems regarding immigration and multi-culturalism is how certain sections of migrant communities have been somewhat abrasive to existing cultures.
Rascal
El Presidente
hgblue said:The majority of the British people want Britain to be out of the EU, yet all three main political parties are in favour of staying in. How is that democratic?
Do the majority of the UK electorate want us out of the EU?
We havent voted on it since 1974, when Labour opposed it and the Conservatives wanted it on thw whole.
The Lib Dems are pro-europe, the Labour party isnt totally as i know dissenting voices to the Labour consensus, the Tories are hoplessly split on the issue because there hand is being forced by the far right wing little englander nutjobs.
Myself i have yet to see one coherent argument that makes me think being a member of the EU is bad for the UK. Still i dont think the EU is everything we want. Its undemocratic, its needs reform but i think at this moment we are just about better off in than out because being out isolates us.
Until somebody can explain to me how leaving the EU will be better for the UK than staying in i would vote to stay in.
Damocles said:This country is literally full of immigrants. And by full, I mean over five nines.
Of course, over centuries, but as you said it's multi-culturalism that has played the biggest part in the social change. Both sides must take some blame for the negative aspects though.
Seosa said:Damocles said:This country is literally full of immigrants. And by full, I mean over five nines.
Of course, over centuries, but as you said it's multi-culturalism that has played the biggest part in the social change. Both sides must take some blame for the negative aspects though.
There are negative aspects to multiculturalism?
And I freely admit to setting you up here, I'm going to talk about the genetic, cultural and historical nation of England.
Then when you argue that modern Britain is different, I'm going to show mass similarities, until you invoke technology, then I'll talk about technology through the ages brought about by, funnily enough, multiculturalism. I'd appreciate if we can skip over this stuff to whatever your actual point is.
Damocles said:Seosa said:Damocles said:This country is literally full of immigrants. And by full, I mean over five nines.
Of course, over centuries, but as you said it's multi-culturalism that has played the biggest part in the social change. Both sides must take some blame for the negative aspects though.
There are negative aspects to multiculturalism?
And I freely admit to setting you up here, I'm going to talk about the genetic, cultural and historical nation of England.
Multi-culturalism is good in the sense that it is progressive, and allows for progression in human understanding.
The negatives come from human social ignorance. In England's case, the ignorance of certain whites who didn't want to accept new races and cultures but also the attitudes of SOME sections of migrant communities who had no intention of adapting to traditional English ways nor intending to work or contribute to the English system.
Of course, many white English happily welcomed multi-culturalism, as seen by the prominence of half-cast individuals over time, and many migrants happily adapted to our culture and contributed efficiently and on many occasions a lot more than regular English individuals.
Rascal
El Presidente
Seosa said:The debate of immigration has always caused controversy, from the Irish in the 1800's to the present day. The one thing history has shown us is that we can count on leftists to side with incoming migrants and those on the right to side with the country's regulars.
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It was the govts. of the right in the 50s that first encouraged mass immigration to feed the countrys need for workers.
On the left as i am im not in favour of mass immigration, im in favour of specified immigration. If we need nurses let them in, if we need students to pay for our unis let them in, if we need cleaners let them in. Immigration should be used to plug gaps in our skills base.
Europe mind allows free movement of labour between its member states, people will flow where the work is and that is a capatilists dream. It has a bigger choice of workforce and it can keep costs as in wages down. Keep costs and wages down and that in Laissez-Faire circles means growth.
In simple terms, MCFC had a skills gap for a world class goalscoring centre forward, so we immigrated Sergio Aguero as the requisite skills were not available in the UK workforce.
Rascal said:hgblue said:The majority of the British people want Britain to be out of the EU, yet all three main political parties are in favour of staying in. How is that democratic?
Do the majority of the UK electorate want us out of the EU?
We havent voted on it since 1974, when Labour opposed it and the Conservatives wanted it on thw whole.
The Lib Dems are pro-europe, the Labour party isnt totally as i know dissenting voices to the Labour consensus, the Tories are hoplessly split on the issue because there hand is being forced by the far right wing little englander nutjobs.
Myself i have yet to see one coherent argument that makes me think being a member of the EU is bad for the UK. Still i dont think the EU is everything we want. Its undemocratic, its needs reform but i think at this moment we are just about better off in than out because being out isolates us.
Until somebody can explain to me how leaving the EU will be better for the UK than staying in i would vote to stay in.
I think you maybe missed my point. Britain has been taken deeper and deeper into a European Union without the consent of the British people, who voted for membership of a Common Market. However it's extremly unlikely that the politicians will give the British people the opportunity to have a say, because they know there's a bloody good chance that we'd vote No. This is why UKIP exists, to give those people who feel strongly that we should be out of the EU the opportunity to have their voices heard.