ULEZ Letter

[joe123]

It’s a fuss about nothing that the Tory party have hypocritically latched on to because they think it might get them some votes. There will be scaremongering about a nationwide ULEZ in the run up to the next election because they think it’s a vote winner.

Is the right answer!

Although it does seem to have riled up the hard of thinking, which is always amusing.

 

[Blue Maverick]

The new zone is estimated to bring in £96m a year which is the equivalent of 20,000 vehicles. Which is 0.7% of the cars in London.

TFL has annual revunues of nearly £10Bn and spends 90% of that every year on maintaining the public transport system and roads. You can look up where and what it spends its money on pretty easily if you care.

So on top of the £230 million collected in the smaller zone plus the £74 million in fines they are going to add a further £96 million. Fantastic and if everyone suddenly stopped driving then what ? Couldn’t cope could it? So they’ve got you by the short and curlies.

 

[hilts]

I'm like a tripwire in fairness. Going to stay out of the politics forum in future! Thought this was a slam dunk to rant about safely but seems the only 5 people who think this is a good idea reside in this thread!

Not good at arguing online, generally have called everyone involved a **** and sent my address to people challenging them to a bare knuckle within 5 minutes.

Lol quality that's made me laugh. It's the Internet fella I don't remember 99% of the people i have barneyed with.

 

[hampshireblue]

Is it the principle or the cost that people are up iin arms about? It is law that cities have to reduce their levels of pollution, brought in by HMG. It was also a requirement of the bail out for TfL that ULEZ be extended-so a Tory policy.

Now I get that £12.50 feels alot, but won't the likes of plumbers and man in a van just pass on the cost to their customers, and if they are really deceitful, pass it on twice if they have 2 jobs within the zone, or if more honest do 2 jobs and pass on half to each or however many jobs they can fit in and divide accordingly. If the daily charge was £3. would this still be a major issue?

However much it is, people need to remember it's a Tory poicy being instigated by Khan.

 

[Silva Citizen]

The government need to replace the revenue they are going to lose when fuel duty drops due the there imposed electric vehicles. ULEZ is just one stream - it will come to Manchester in one guise or another - The other stream is going to be toll roads the toll technology is already up. Those observation cameras that are on Smart motorways are the revenue collectors.
It’s not going to be a vote winner for either party unless one comes out and categorically says it will scrap ULEZ.

 

[west didsblue]

It’s admittedly clever politics by the Tories to bring in a necessary but unpopular law that is mandated to be implemented in the big cities by mostly Labour administrations. As we have seen it’s the Labour mayor in London getting shit for it and we’ve seen similar for Burnham up here with the regularly postponed Manchester equivalent. All it needs is a mostly compliant media and that’s exactly what they’ve got.

 

[inbetween]

Is it the principle or the cost that people are up iin arms about? It is law that cities have to reduce their levels of pollution, brought in by HMG. It was also a requirement of the bail out for TfL that ULEZ be extended-so a Tory policy.

Now I get that £12.50 feels alot, but won't the likes of plumbers and man in a van just pass on the cost to their customers, and if they are really deceitful, pass it on twice if they have 2 jobs within the zone, or if more honest do 2 jobs and pass on half to each or however many jobs they can fit in and divide accordingly. If the daily charge was £3. would this still be a major issue?

However much it is, people need to remember it's a Tory poicy being instigated by Khan.

They shouldn't be charging people at all.

The whole point of these schemes is to improve pollution and help climate change. Asking people who have no choice isn't the solution because they'll just pay it and then the pollution problem doesn't change. Rich people with Range Rovers aren't going to care either way.

People in an ULEZ have a choice really, pay £12.50 per day or find £10-15k for a new car. If you have absolutely nothing and have to drive for work then it looks like you're paying £12.50 per day.

With the costs of getting to work, petrol, insurance, congestion charge and also the lack of pay-rises etc, nowadays it might actually be easier to just bin the car off, spend the money on booze and just not work.

 

[domalino]

Fantastic and if everyone suddenly stopped driving then what ? Couldn’t cope could it? So they’ve got you by the short and curlies.

No, if all the people effected by the new ULEZ zone all stopped driving the public transport system would cope just fine.

 

[domalino]

People in an ULEZ have a choice really, pay £12.50 per day or find £10-15k for a new car. If you have absolutely nothing and have to drive for work then it looks like you're paying £12.50 per day.

With the costs of getting to work, petrol, insurance, congestion charge and also the lack of pay-rises etc, nowadays it might actually be easier to just bin the car off, spend the money on booze and just not work.

Or instead of becoming out of work alcoholics, they could do something like....

Scrap their old car, get £2k from the government, use that money to put a deposit down on a second hand hire purchase.

If you go on autotrader right now, with a £2k deposit you could get a hatchback from 2010-2013 - so lots of leeway on future emissions standards - for about £30 a month.

Oh look, it turns out it wasn't a completely insurmountable problem!

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

They shouldn't be charging people at all.

The whole point of these schemes is to improve pollution and help climate change. Asking people who have no choice isn't the solution because they'll just pay it and then the pollution problem doesn't change. Rich people with Range Rovers aren't going to care either way.

People in an ULEZ have a choice really, pay £12.50 per day or find £10-15k for a new car. If you have absolutely nothing and have to drive for work then it looks like you're paying £12.50 per day.

With the costs of getting to work, petrol, insurance, congestion charge and also the lack of pay-rises etc, nowadays it might actually be easier to just bin the car off, spend the money on booze and just not work.

Or ride on the bus or tube?

Unless they sponge of relatives or friends they won't be sitting on their arse when the DWP require you to look for work within 90 minutes public transport and you have access to rail,tube and buses.