ULEZ Letter

[Blue Maverick]

Or instead of becoming out of work alcoholics, they could do something like....

Scrap their old car, get £2k from the government, use that money to put a deposit down on a second hand hire purchase.

If you go on autotrader right now, with a £2k deposit you could get a hatchback from 2010-2013 - so lots of leeway on future emissions standards - for about £30 a month.

Oh look, it turns out it wasn't a completely insurmountable problem!

but you have to be on benefits to get the £2k and that’s on a new car not a second hand one, so if you are on them I guess getting into debt to afford the rest of the car may be a problem. Also many commute into London so if you don’t live in those boroughs you don’t qualify.

ULEZ Scrappage Scheme – all you need to know

The Mayor of London has announced a ULEZ scrappage scheme which aims to clear the Capital's roads of the UK's most polluting cars and motorbikes. But what vehicles are eligible, who can apply, how much can you save and why does this matter?

www.carwow.co.uk

 

[domalino]

but you have to be on benefits to get the £2k and that’s on a new car not a second hand one, so if you are on them I guess getting into debt to afford the rest of the car may be a problem.

ULEZ Scrappage Scheme – all you need to know

The Mayor of London has announced a ULEZ scrappage scheme which aims to clear the Capital's roads of the UK's most polluting cars and motorbikes. But what vehicles are eligible, who can apply, how much can you save and why does this matter?

www.carwow.co.uk

How many people driving 18+ year old cars do you think are not eligible for any of these?

• Universal Credit
• Armed Forces Independence Payment
• Attendance Allowance
• Carer’s Allowance
• Child Tax Credit
• Constant Attendance Allowance
• Disability Living Allowance
• Employment and Support Allowance
• Housing Benefit
• Income Support
• Industrial Injuries Disablement Benefit
• Jobseeker’s Allowance
• Pension Credit
• Personal Independence Payment
• Severe Disablement Allowance
• War Pensions Mobility Supplement
• Working Tax Credit

I don't think you actually have to buy a brand new car to get the scrappage grant - it's certainly not mentioned anywhere on the TFL website.


On the one hand I have people saying "You're just screwing over the poorest 2%" and then on the other "You have to be on benefits to get help". The poorest 2% are on benefits. What a surprise, the people who came up with this scheme actually spent more than 5 minutes thinking about it.

 

[Blue Maverick]

How many people driving 18+ year old cars do you think are not eligible for any of these?

• Universal Credit
• Armed Forces Independence Payment
• Attendance Allowance
• Carer’s Allowance
• Child Tax Credit
• Constant Attendance Allowance
• Disability Living Allowance
• Employment and Support Allowance
• Housing Benefit
• Income Support
• Industrial Injuries Disablement Benefit
• Jobseeker’s Allowance
• Pension Credit
• Personal Independence Payment
• Severe Disablement Allowance
• War Pensions Mobility Supplement
• Working Tax Credit

No idea, but how many can afford new cars if they do? You quoted auto trader and buying one second hand care to comment on that bit? You were wrong on that, so tell me again how they afford it, because it ain’t £30 a month as you stated.

 

[domalino]

No idea, but how many can afford new cars if they do? You quoted auto trader and buying one second hand care to comment on that bit? You were wrong on that, so tell me again how they afford it, because it ain’t £30 a month as you stated.

I wasn't wrong, it doesn't say you have to buy a brand new car anywhere on the governments scrappage scheme.

It's a SCRAPPAGE SCHEME. The money is for scrapping the cars, not money off a new one. You can scrap the car and keep the money if you want.

You upload proof of the car's destruction and the government pays you money. Nothing to do with new cars.

ULEZ car and motorcycle scrappage scheme

The Mayor of London's scrappage scheme provides financial assistance to help London residents scrap cars, motorcycles and wheelchair accessible vehicles that don’t meet the ULEZ emissions standards. The zone expand across all London boroughs on 29 Aug 23

tfl.gov.uk

Perhaps you should spend more time reading about the legislation you're so angry about instead of just adopting whatever position the Daily Mail/GB News tells you to.

 

[Blue Maverick]

I wasn't wrong, it doesn't say you have to buy a brand new car anywhere on the governments scrappage scheme.

It's a SCRAPPAGE SCHEME. The money is for scrapping the cars, not money off a new one. You can scrap the car and keep the money if you want.

You upload proof of the car's destruction and the government pays you money. Nothing to do with new cars.

ULEZ car and motorcycle scrappage scheme

The Mayor of London's scrappage scheme provides financial assistance to help London residents scrap cars, motorcycles and wheelchair accessible vehicles that don’t meet the ULEZ emissions standards. The zone expand across all London boroughs on 29 Aug 23

tfl.gov.uk

And you keep quoting 18 year old cars yet it’s diesel 2015 that’s 8 years ago of a perfectly good vehicle, so the example you quoted was wrong then! £2k won’t last long if you have a family to get about will it?

 

[Blue Maverick]

My 2015 diesel is compliant.

Depends if it’s euro 5 or 6 mate some late 2015 got the newer engines.

 

[bluethrunthru]

No idea, but how many can afford new cars if they do? You quoted auto trader and buying one second hand care to comment on that bit? You were wrong on that, so tell me again how they afford it, because it ain’t £30 a month as you stated.

Most cars are leased nowadays and not bought when new - creates a supply of used for sale who's use and maintenance has been highly regulated by the manufacturers and dealers

 

[Vic]

Is it the principle or the cost that people are up iin arms about? It is law that cities have to reduce their levels of pollution, brought in by HMG. It was also a requirement of the bail out for TfL that ULEZ be extended-so a Tory policy.

Now I get that £12.50 feels alot, but won't the likes of plumbers and man in a van just pass on the cost to their customers, and if they are really deceitful, pass it on twice if they have 2 jobs within the zone, or if more honest do 2 jobs and pass on half to each or however many jobs they can fit in and divide accordingly. If the daily charge was £3. would this still be a major issue?

However much it is, people need to remember it's a Tory poicy being instigated by Khan.

Paying £5 to drop off / pick up at airports doesn't seem to have been absorbed by taxi drivers.

 

[bluethrunthru]

quite simply these needs to be implemented and its impact in the real world then if a small number of the poor and disadvantaged are impacted too adversely the thing can be tweaked to be a better fit.

Too many people are influenced by a hate for Labour, for Khan or just for change they are believing some shit and not seeing the facts.

Facts - its Johnsons baby from when he was London Mayor and its being widened is because Shapps insisted on it as part of a TFL bail out in Covid times. Obvs the Tories didn't mention that but for the life of me I cannot understand why Labour didn't campaign on it.

Lies - its all Khans doing - its not see above. I saw a tweet from a Labour canvasser from the byelection who was astounded to be met on the doorstep by someone ranting and raving about "Khans ULEZ tax" and how he wasn't going to pay it whilst at the same time charging up his Tesla on his drive. And we have a lad from Oldham seemingly worried about its impact - can't see Khan extending its borders to Royton. Oh and the Tory campaigned on the ticket that he would get the ULEZ charge dropped....... how? He is one MP and its in law so he had no power in that respect.

 

[Blue Maverick]

quite simply these needs to be implemented and its impact in the real world then if a small number of the poor and disadvantaged are impacted too adversely the thing can be tweaked to be a better fit.

Too many people are influenced by a hate for Labour, for Khan or just for change they are believing some shit and not seeing the facts.

Facts - its Johnsons baby from when he was London Mayor and its being widened is because Shapps insisted on it as part of a TFL bail out in Covid times. Obvs the Tories didn't mention that but for the life of me I cannot understand why Labour didn't campaign on it.

Lies - its all Khans doing - its not see above. I saw a tweet from a Labour canvasser from the byelection who was astounded to be met on the doorstep by someone ranting and raving about "Khans ULEZ tax" and how he wasn't going to pay it whilst at the same time charging up his Tesla on his drive. And we have a lad from Oldham seemingly worried about its impact - can't see Khan extending its borders to Royton. Oh and the Tory campaigned on the ticket that he would get the ULEZ charge dropped....... how? He is one MP and its in law so he had no power in that respect.

Wont be rolled out from London mate, I just posted the original thing to see if anyone else had got one and it’s coming here soon as it already has in many cities, just got to Birmingham