United thread 2013/14

[Sonny Pike]

Manchester United are still struggling. I've done the neighbourly thing and peered over the fence at Carrington to see what's wrong:

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Moyeswatch 2

There’s something different about born winners. Take Tony Blair, for example. Post-war Britain’s longest-serving socialist prime minister was so excited at the thought of getting a promotion when the then Labour leader, John Smith, passed away, that he galloped straight home and made love to his wife, Cherie. That takes a certain mindset. Here is a man who is not only sexually aroused at the thought of his own political success, but who is even prepared to then brag about it in his memoirs...

Now I’m as career-driven as the next man, but if my boss keeled over tomorrow, I’d be surprised if my first reaction was to get an erection. A born winner like Alex Ferguson, on the other hand, you can see him perhaps suffering from a bit of what might be called “Blair’s bulge”.

One man that you can bet your bottom dollar wouldn’t be aroused is David Moyes. Moyes would be as limp as a marigold glove on hearing the news. Such is the man’s negativity, his first reaction would probably to see if he can squeeze in an extra defender at the funeral.

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[zandvoort blue]

£65 million is the figure being banded about. But I`m not sure if that`s the "no European" football figure. If they make the Europa League I reckon that figure comes down.

That figure is the EBITDA target they have to meet for their revolving credit facility. They are allowed to fail to meet it in two non-consecutive seasons because of failure to qualify for the CL. So if they fail to qualify for the CL in two consecutive seasons AND miss the £65m EBITDA minimum figure, their revolving credit facility could be withdrawn.

They got £30m in prize money from CL last season which they'd lose if they didn't qualify this season. If they qualify for the EL, then they still get ticket money for the games they play and that could be 6 or more (home) games. They force season ticket holders to pay for European games so they'd still pull in over £3m a game, which could make a difference.

It`s impossible to quantify the figure as we don`t know what sponsorship penalties, or even cancelling of deals would come into effect. But as you say their average run to the quarters gives substantial prize money. If there is no European football ie no Europa League then they are looking at big bucks down the drain.
There is also the effect on the signings. Any "star" that comes in this January would be stupid not to have a get out clause if they have no CL football next season. And no CL football means no dining at the top table during the summer window. Then you have the likes of RVP and Rooney, no CL football and they are off. This means they are stuck with the current dross, or wee Davey offloads them and buys chancers in the hope he gets the lucky break.

 

[aguero93:20]

Manchester United are still struggling. I've done the neighbourly thing and peered over the fence at Carrington to see what's wrong:

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Moyeswatch 2

There’s something different about born winners. Take Tony Blair, for example. Post-war Britain’s longest-serving socialist prime minister was so excited at the thought of getting a promotion when the then Labour leader, John Smith, passed away, that he galloped straight home and made love to his wife, Cherie. That takes a certain mindset. Here is a man who is not only sexually aroused at the thought of his own political success, but who is even prepared to then brag about it in his memoirs...

Now I’m as career-driven as the next man, but if my boss keeled over tomorrow, I’d be surprised if my first reaction was to get an erection. A born winner like Alex Ferguson, on the other hand, you can see him perhaps suffering from a bit of what might be called “Blair’s bulge”.

One man that you can bet your bottom dollar wouldn’t be aroused is David Moyes. Moyes would be as limp as a marigold glove on hearing the news. Such is the man’s negativity, his first reaction would probably to see if he can squeeze in an extra defender at the funeral.

Read on: <a class="postlink" href="http://toogoodfortheenglishgame.com/2014/01/17/moyeswatch-2/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://toogoodfortheenglishgame.com/201 ... eswatch-2/</a>

I get the impression this blogger isn't a potential recruit for our S.O.D. campaign.

 

[Kippax.]

Met some old pals last night and I got the old, little club and the you only can win with money and the the owners will get bored. Silly utd twats will never learn.

 

[TCIB]

on a financial scale how much will it kill United if they don't get top four?

Err pb mentioned something about next year being given as grace but the next year then they lose to the point of serious damage.
However other stuff like sponsors they will be pissed off in the now.
Hopefully he sees this and says some numbers interspersed by big words.

£65 million is the figure being banded about. But I`m not sure if that`s the "no European" football figure. If they make the Europa League I reckon that figure comes down.

I read stuff about contracts since 2010 having a clause about no cl = paycut.

There is a rumoured 25% wage reduction for the majority of players for no CL qualification. It is believed that RVP and Rooney are free of this clause and not affected.

Thanks for the info zandvoort :-)

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

Manchester United are still struggling. I've done the neighbourly thing and peered over the fence at Carrington to see what's wrong:

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Moyeswatch 2

There’s something different about born winners. Take Tony Blair, for example. Post-war Britain’s longest-serving socialist prime minister was so excited at the thought of getting a promotion when the then Labour leader, John Smith, passed away, that he galloped straight home and made love to his wife, Cherie. That takes a certain mindset. Here is a man who is not only sexually aroused at the thought of his own political success, but who is even prepared to then brag about it in his memoirs...

Now I’m as career-driven as the next man, but if my boss keeled over tomorrow, I’d be surprised if my first reaction was to get an erection. A born winner like Alex Ferguson, on the other hand, you can see him perhaps suffering from a bit of what might be called “Blair’s bulge”.

One man that you can bet your bottom dollar wouldn’t be aroused is David Moyes. Moyes would be as limp as a marigold glove on hearing the news. Such is the man’s negativity, his first reaction would probably to see if he can squeeze in an extra defender at the funeral.

Read on: <a class="postlink" href="http://toogoodfortheenglishgame.com/2014/01/17/moyeswatch-2/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://toogoodfortheenglishgame.com/201 ... eswatch-2/</a>

Great piece, nice blog (although that title prediction!) and welcome to the forum.

Funnily enough there's something I find strangely arousing about Moyes being at the rags but you haven't grasped why he's there. Someone pasted an FT article a few pages back (page 226) that gives the major clue. He's there so the Glazers can make a profit by keeping costs down. I know that Baconface and Gill had no interest in this and it caused some conflict, so with Woodward (their own man) and Moyes, they can avoid this.

I think they calculated that they could stay in the top 4 but underestimated how much difference Baconface made. Even so, if they lose £30m in prize money from not being in the CL, they can mitigate that by the clause imposing wage cuts of 25% and they'll carry on signing those commercial deals. Plus, by not having or being able to attract the top players, they'll continue to keep wages down. So they might actually make more money overall from being in the EL.

They're interested in the P&L Account rather than the trophy cabinet and Moyes is the ideal man for that.

 

[BlueRockape]

Manchester United are still struggling. I've done the neighbourly thing and peered over the fence at Carrington to see what's wrong:

<a class="postlink" href="http://toogoodfortheenglishgame.com/2014/01/17/moyeswatch-2/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://toogoodfortheenglishgame.com/201 ... eswatch-2/</a>

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Moyeswatch 2

There’s something different about born winners. Take Tony Blair, for example. Post-war Britain’s longest-serving socialist prime minister was so excited at the thought of getting a promotion when the then Labour leader, John Smith, passed away, that he galloped straight home and made love to his wife, Cherie. That takes a certain mindset. Here is a man who is not only sexually aroused at the thought of his own political success, but who is even prepared to then brag about it in his memoirs...

Now I’m as career-driven as the next man, but if my boss keeled over tomorrow, I’d be surprised if my first reaction was to get an erection. A born winner like Alex Ferguson, on the other hand, you can see him perhaps suffering from a bit of what might be called “Blair’s bulge”.

One man that you can bet your bottom dollar wouldn’t be aroused is David Moyes. Moyes would be as limp as a marigold glove on hearing the news. Such is the man’s negativity, his first reaction would probably to see if he can squeeze in an extra defender at the funeral.

Read on: <a class="postlink" href="http://toogoodfortheenglishgame.com/2014/01/17/moyeswatch-2/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://toogoodfortheenglishgame.com/201 ... eswatch-2/</a>

Great piece, nice blog (although that title prediction!) and welcome to the forum.

Funnily enough there's something I find strangely arousing about Moyes being at the rags but you haven't grasped why he's there. Someone pasted an FT article a few pages back (page 226) that gives the major clue. He's there so the Glazers can make a profit by keeping costs down. I know that Baconface and Gill had no interest in this and it caused some conflict, so with Woodward (their own man) and Moyes, they can avoid this.

I think they calculated that they could stay in the top 4 but underestimated how much difference Baconface made. Even so, if they lose £30m in prize money from not being in the CL, they can mitigate that by the clause imposing wage cuts of 25% and they'll carry on signing those commercial deals. Plus, by not having or being able to attract the top players, they'll continue to keep wages down. So they might actually make more money overall from being in the EL.

They're interested in the P&L Account rather than the trophy cabinet and Moyes is the ideal man for that.

The ideal patsy :-)

 

[mad4city]

Manchester United are still struggling. I've done the neighbourly thing and peered over the fence at Carrington to see what's wrong:

<a class="postlink" href="http://toogoodfortheenglishgame.com/2014/01/17/moyeswatch-2/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://toogoodfortheenglishgame.com/201 ... eswatch-2/</a>

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Moyeswatch 2

There’s something different about born winners. Take Tony Blair, for example. Post-war Britain’s longest-serving socialist prime minister was so excited at the thought of getting a promotion when the then Labour leader, John Smith, passed away, that he galloped straight home and made love to his wife, Cherie. That takes a certain mindset. Here is a man who is not only sexually aroused at the thought of his own political success, but who is even prepared to then brag about it in his memoirs...

Now I’m as career-driven as the next man, but if my boss keeled over tomorrow, I’d be surprised if my first reaction was to get an erection. A born winner like Alex Ferguson, on the other hand, you can see him perhaps suffering from a bit of what might be called “Blair’s bulge”.

One man that you can bet your bottom dollar wouldn’t be aroused is David Moyes. Moyes would be as limp as a marigold glove on hearing the news. Such is the man’s negativity, his first reaction would probably to see if he can squeeze in an extra defender at the funeral.

Read on: <a class="postlink" href="http://toogoodfortheenglishgame.com/2014/01/17/moyeswatch-2/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://toogoodfortheenglishgame.com/201 ... eswatch-2/</a>

Great piece, nice blog (although that title prediction!) and welcome to the forum.

Funnily enough there's something I find strangely arousing about Moyes being at the rags but you haven't grasped why he's there. Someone pasted an FT article a few pages back (page 226) that gives the major clue. He's there so the Glazers can make a profit by keeping costs down. I know that Baconface and Gill had no interest in this and it caused some conflict, so with Woodward (their own man) and Moyes, they can avoid this.

I think they calculated that they could stay in the top 4 but underestimated how much difference Baconface made. Even so, if they lose £30m in prize money from not being in the CL, they can mitigate that by the clause imposing wage cuts of 25% and they'll carry on signing those commercial deals. Plus, by not having or being able to attract the top players, they'll continue to keep wages down. So they might actually make more money overall from being in the EL.

They're interested in the P&L Account rather than the trophy cabinet and Moyes is the ideal man for that.

The ideal patsy :-)

And henceforth, he shall be known as ...The Patsy.

(& Sonny, I enjoyed the blog. Please post more)

 

[jrb]

Red Cafe.

13 points.

It's sinking in.

Meltdown.<br /><br />-- Sat Jan 18, 2014 6:43 pm --<br /><br />Red Cafe.

13 points.

It's sinking in.

Meltdown.

 

[Blue Haze]

If Liverpool win today, rags need a win tomorrow against Chelsea. A Liverpool win and rag loss would put them 8 behind for 4th.