United Thread 2014/15 (continued)

[Bill]

Do you think that's why FFP is about. Jesus christ. You realise 24 Spanish clubs nearly went into liquidation because their expenses outweighed their income as they were all pursuing European football, or La Liga football. So do you think FIFA and UEFA would be more bothered about trying to maintain a professional league structure in places like Spain, or stopping City from doing whatever it is you're doing, and you say United fans are self absorbed. The new TV deal will put you on par with every other English club in the transfer market, and will put the top 4 Premier League clubs in a position to spend more than all the clubs in Spain, Portugal, Italy, Germany etc. So when English clubs are still struggling in Europe even though everything is in our favour, are you still gonna play the FFP card?

So FFP was introduced to protect Spanish clubs? PMSL

Your c**ty club were once again trying to rig the system in your own favour, this was not to protect any other club,your previous and subsequent actions show absolutely zip regard for anything other than your own self interest, and when it coincides with Liverpool's you hop straight into bed with them, the Arse and Spurs to get the same thing introduced in the UK (Portsmouth would have passed FFP).

Oh and that 34yr banner? It was half paid for by the club, half by your flag group, pathetic c**ts the lot of you.

It's there to protect all clubs, but mainly it was introduced due to the shocking state of finances in Italy, Spain, Greece, Portugal etc. You realise every single professional club has to abide by FFP rules. Not just UEFA. League 2 all the way up to the Prem have FFP rules. They differ depending what league you're in.

What's this cosy club we're trying to protect then? You do realise since 1992 when the European Cup became the Champions League, there's been 13 different winners and 18 different finalists. The Premier League has had 5 different winners including yourselves, which says that its actually more of a closed shop than UEFA football. so you're very much a part of this 'club' you hate.

not a sniff of it till we got rich. not a sniff. odd also that the two clubs who have been sanctioned are both Arab run. hmmmm

 

[redmanc34]

Scum, Arsenal etc: "Hang on!...They've got more money than us!"

"Sir! Sir!

fifa: "Yes son?"

Do you think that's why FFP is about. Jesus christ. You realise 24 Spanish clubs nearly went into liquidation because their expenses outweighed their income as they were all pursuing European football, or La Liga football. So do you think FIFA and UEFA would be more bothered about trying to maintain a professional league structure in places like Spain, or stopping City from doing whatever it is you're doing, and you say United fans are self absorbed. The new TV deal will put you on par with every other English club in the transfer market, and will put the top 4 Premier League clubs in a position to spend more than all the clubs in Spain, Portugal, Italy, Germany etc. So when English clubs are still struggling in Europe even though everything is in our favour, are you still gonna play the FFP card?

So Ragmanc, can you please enlighten us as to why FFP in it's current form was brought in & what makes it 'fair'?

If you seriously think it was for any reason other than to protect the cosy cartel, I look forward to hearing your comedy gold reasons.

Cheers for posting on BM by the way, I think you've brought a smile to a lot of blues faces. Keep on posting fella, really enjoying reading your posts

I just would love to know who is in this Cartel? As that's comedy gold. Is it Champions League winners, finalists, European Cup Finalists and winners. UEFA Cup and Europe League finalists and winners? Whats the conditions you need to be in this cartel.

And anyway, why are you bothered about FFP, as I said, with the new TV deal, you'll be rolling in the dough. You'll have more disposable income than Porto, Shakhtar, Valencia, Bayern, possibly even Barcelona and Real Madrid. So I just wanna know your excuse next season when you don't win the Champions League. It's easier to blame it on FFP, and United corrupting football than actually look at your own 'poor recruitment' as i've seen on this forum or your players 'lack of motivation'

 

[Bodicoteblue]

Scum, Arsenal etc: "Hang on!...They've got more money than us!"

"Sir! Sir!
Perhaps he could also

fifa: "Yes son?"

Do you think that's why FFP is about. Jesus christ. You realise 24 Spanish clubs nearly went into liquidation because their expenses outweighed their income as they were all pursuing European football, or La Liga football. So do you think FIFA and UEFA would be more bothered about trying to maintain a professional league structure in places like Spain, or stopping City from doing whatever it is you're doing, and you say United fans are self absorbed. The new TV deal will put you on par with every other English club in the transfer market, and will put the top 4 Premier League clubs in a position to spend more than all the clubs in Spain, Portugal, Italy, Germany etc. So when English clubs are still struggling in Europe even though everything is in our favour, are you still gonna play the FFP card?

So Ragmanc, can you please enlighten us as to why FFP in it's current form was brought in & what makes it 'fair'?

If you seriously think it was for any reason other than to protect the cosy cartel, I look forward to hearing your comedy gold reasons.

Cheers for posting on BM by the way, I think you've brought a smile to a lot of blues faces. Keep on posting fella, really enjoying reading your posts

Perhaps he could also concern himself with the reasons that platini's original campaign about club finances in Europe was concerned almost exclusively about clubs spending huge sums (reckless, I believe is the term) on players,
whilst carrying huge debts.
I believe he insinuated that this was tantamount to cheating.
What changed?

 

[Bill]

Do you think that's why FFP is about. Jesus christ. You realise 24 Spanish clubs nearly went into liquidation because their expenses outweighed their income as they were all pursuing European football, or La Liga football. So do you think FIFA and UEFA would be more bothered about trying to maintain a professional league structure in places like Spain, or stopping City from doing whatever it is you're doing, and you say United fans are self absorbed. The new TV deal will put you on par with every other English club in the transfer market, and will put the top 4 Premier League clubs in a position to spend more than all the clubs in Spain, Portugal, Italy, Germany etc. So when English clubs are still struggling in Europe even though everything is in our favour, are you still gonna play the FFP card?

So Ragmanc, can you please enlighten us as to why FFP in it's current form was brought in & what makes it 'fair'?

If you seriously think it was for any reason other than to protect the cosy cartel, I look forward to hearing your comedy gold reasons.

Cheers for posting on BM by the way, I think you've brought a smile to a lot of blues faces. Keep on posting fella, really enjoying reading your posts

I just would love to know who is in this Cartel? As that's comedy gold. Is it Champions League winners, finalists, European Cup Finalists and winners. UEFA Cup and Europe League finalists and winners? Whats the conditions you need to be in this cartel.

And anyway, why are you bothered about FFP, as I said, with the new TV deal, you'll be rolling in the dough. You'll have more disposable income than Porto, Shakhtar, Valencia, Bayern, possibly even Barcelona and Real Madrid. So I just wanna know your excuse next season when you don't win the Champions League. It's easier to blame it on FFP, and United corrupting football than actually look at your own 'poor recruitment' as i've seen on this forum or your players 'lack of motivation'

we are bothered because we want a level playing field. we are not rags, we hate unfairness. your club is riddled with greed, you don't give a flying fuck about the game itself, or anyone else in it. your behaviour after Munich told us that. why shouldn't Villa, Everton and co get the same breaks as us. if they got taken over they would be in shit street because off ffp. its wrong, I don't expect you plastics to agree but its fixed to fuck. just like the CL. coefficients? fucking pathetic. Liverpool and indeed Forest would it when you drew who you drew, first round or last. even after some terrible groups the refs step in to assist the cartel. happy with that are you ? plastic cunts.

 

[tommo74]

Do you think that's why FFP is about. Jesus christ. You realise 24 Spanish clubs nearly went into liquidation because their expenses outweighed their income as they were all pursuing European football, or La Liga football. So do you think FIFA and UEFA would be more bothered about trying to maintain a professional league structure in places like Spain, or stopping City from doing whatever it is you're doing, and you say United fans are self absorbed. The new TV deal will put you on par with every other English club in the transfer market, and will put the top 4 Premier League clubs in a position to spend more than all the clubs in Spain, Portugal, Italy, Germany etc. So when English clubs are still struggling in Europe even though everything is in our favour, are you still gonna play the FFP card?

So Ragmanc, can you please enlighten us as to why FFP in it's current form was brought in & what makes it 'fair'?

If you seriously think it was for any reason other than to protect the cosy cartel, I look forward to hearing your comedy gold reasons.

Cheers for posting on BM by the way, I think you've brought a smile to a lot of blues faces. Keep on posting fella, really enjoying reading your posts

I just would love to know who is in this Cartel? As that's comedy gold. Is it Champions League winners, finalists, European Cup Finalists and winners. UEFA Cup and Europe League finalists and winners? Whats the conditions you need to be in this cartel.

And anyway, why are you bothered about FFP, as I said, with the new TV deal, you'll be rolling in the dough. You'll have more disposable income than Porto, Shakhtar, Valencia, Bayern, possibly even Barcelona and Real Madrid. So I just wanna know your excuse next season when you don't win the Champions League. It's easier to blame it on FFP, and United corrupting football than actually look at your own 'poor recruitment' as i've seen on this forum or your players 'lack of motivation'

Who blamed us not winning champs league on ffp? You lot took 7 years to win 1 yet you expect city to win it over night because we spent money, so United fans logic is if you spend money you should win everything? Well you have spent more than anyone so why are you potless again this season? And i didnt see united doing to well in europe before the seeding and pot farce came into it, another fifa rule to keep the cartel in europe, united were playing teams like wythenshawe town in group stages, where as we have had tough groups every year, fifa are corrupt and everyone knows it, where was ffp before city got money? Why didnt clubs need protecting then? Why was it not brought in after italian football went tits up?

 

[mcfc1632]

Gill was one off the key authors - that is all you need to know - he certainly was not looking after Spanish and Italian clubs interests and nor is he in his current and future roles - just the scums

 

[lloydie]

Do you think that's why FFP is about. Jesus christ. You realise 24 Spanish clubs nearly went into liquidation because their expenses outweighed their income as they were all pursuing European football, or La Liga football. So do you think FIFA and UEFA would be more bothered about trying to maintain a professional league structure in places like Spain, or stopping City from doing whatever it is you're doing, and you say United fans are self absorbed. The new TV deal will put you on par with every other English club in the transfer market, and will put the top 4 Premier League clubs in a position to spend more than all the clubs in Spain, Portugal, Italy, Germany etc. So when English clubs are still struggling in Europe even though everything is in our favour, are you still gonna play the FFP card?

So Ragmanc, can you please enlighten us as to why FFP in it's current form was brought in & what makes it 'fair'?

If you seriously think it was for any reason other than to protect the cosy cartel, I look forward to hearing your comedy gold reasons.

Cheers for posting on BM by the way, I think you've brought a smile to a lot of blues faces. Keep on posting fella, really enjoying reading your posts

I just would love to know who is in this Cartel? As that's comedy gold. Is it Champions League winners, finalists, European Cup Finalists and winners. UEFA Cup and Europe League finalists and winners? Whats the conditions you need to be in this cartel.

And anyway, why are you bothered about FFP, as I said, with the new TV deal, you'll be rolling in the dough. You'll have more disposable income than Porto, Shakhtar, Valencia, Bayern, possibly even Barcelona and Real Madrid. So I just wanna know your excuse next season when you don't win the Champions League. It's easier to blame it on FFP, and United corrupting football than actually look at your own 'poor recruitment' as i've seen on this forum or your players 'lack of motivation'

That's the point thicko, we think it is UNFAIR, regardless of whether we are going to benefit and we don't see why other clubs should not be afforded the same opportunity we were lucky enough to have.

As for the identity of the Cartel, I suggest you read some of Platini's on the record statements about who the interested parties were that he spoke to, essentially the old G14, Gill, Berlosconi, Abramovich, Ruminegge et al.

The PL and Football League FFP are entirely separate (and significantly different) from UEFA's, although your club was a leading light in the composition of both UEFA and the PL's.

You seem to know jackshit on the subject so maybe you might want to leave it alone.

 

[redmanc34]

Who has the most expensive premier league team ever assembled?
Whose wage bill is the highest in premier league history?

The short answer is the rags.

Who's buying success and wants the door shut for any other club who wants to compete financially?
I hate that club with a passion that's borne of their c**tish greedy behaviour over the years.

Aguero Del Castillo, Sergio- £38m
*Boyata, Dedryck Anga- £0
Caballero Lazcano, Wilfredo Daniel- £6m
*Clichy, Gael- £7m
Demichelis, Martin Gaston- £3.5m
Dzeko, Edin- £27m
*Hart, Charles Joseph John- £0.5m
Jimenez Silva, David Josue- £25m
Jovetic, Stevan- £25.8m
Kolarov, Aleksandar- £17m
Kompany, Vincent- £6.7m
*Lampard, Frank James- £0
Luiz Roza, Fernando- £12m
Mangala, Eliaquim- £42m
*Milner, James Philip- £26m
Nasri, Samir- £22m
Navas, Jesus- £22.9m
Reges, Fernando Francisco- £30m
Sagna, Bacary- £0
Toure, Gnegneri Yaya- £24m
*Wright, Richard Ian- £0
Zabaleta Girod, Pablo Javier- £6.5m
Bony, Wilfried - £28m

Total £369.9m

Manchester United


Blind, Daley- £13.8m
*Carrick, Michael- £18.6m
De Gea Quintana, David- £18.9m
Di Maria, Angel Fabian- £59.7m
*Evans, Jonathan Grant- £0
Fellaini-Bakkioui, Marouane- £27.5m
Garcia Zarate, Radamel Falcao -£0
Herrera Aguera, Ander- £29m
*Jones, Philip Anthony- £17m
Lindegaard, Anders Rozenkrantz- £3.5m
*Lingard, Jesse Ellis- £0
Mata Garcia, Juan Manuel- £37.1m
*Pereira da Silva, Rafael- £2.5m
Rojo, Faustino Marcos Alberto- £16m
*Rooney, Wayne Mark- £27m
*Shaw, Luke- £27m
*Smalling, Christopher- £10m
Valdes i Arribas, Victor- £0
Valencia Mosquera, Luis Antonio- £16m
Van Persie, Robin- £22m
*Young, Ashley Simon- £17m

Total £362.6m

I think someone has been listening to too much TV and radio. I mean you'd at least research it first wouldn't you lads.

They're the squads that have been registered with the Premier League. I've even helped you out there, because Luke Shaw isn't registered because of his age.

 

[redmanc34]

Do you think that's why FFP is about. Jesus christ. You realise 24 Spanish clubs nearly went into liquidation because their expenses outweighed their income as they were all pursuing European football, or La Liga football. So do you think FIFA and UEFA would be more bothered about trying to maintain a professional league structure in places like Spain, or stopping City from doing whatever it is you're doing, and you say United fans are self absorbed. The new TV deal will put you on par with every other English club in the transfer market, and will put the top 4 Premier League clubs in a position to spend more than all the clubs in Spain, Portugal, Italy, Germany etc. So when English clubs are still struggling in Europe even though everything is in our favour, are you still gonna play the FFP card?

So Ragmanc, can you please enlighten us as to why FFP in it's current form was brought in & what makes it 'fair'?

If you seriously think it was for any reason other than to protect the cosy cartel, I look forward to hearing your comedy gold reasons.

Cheers for posting on BM by the way, I think you've brought a smile to a lot of blues faces. Keep on posting fella, really enjoying reading your posts

Perhaps he could also concern himself with the reasons that platini's original campaign about club finances in Europe was concerned almost exclusively about clubs spending huge sums (reckless, I believe is the term) on players,
whilst carrying huge debts.
I believe he insinuated that this was tantamount to cheating.
What changed?

Right, and strangely enough, Valencia, Real Betis, Deportivo were all these clubs with debt spending recklessly, and all nearly went into liquidation. The rule is now in place and these 3 are financially more stable, but it doesn't work.

 

[dave_blue12]

So Ragmanc, can you please enlighten us as to why FFP in it's current form was brought in & what makes it 'fair'?

If you seriously think it was for any reason other than to protect the cosy cartel, I look forward to hearing your comedy gold reasons.

Cheers for posting on BM by the way, I think you've brought a smile to a lot of blues faces. Keep on posting fella, really enjoying reading your posts

Perhaps he could also concern himself with the reasons that platini's original campaign about club finances in Europe was concerned almost exclusively about clubs spending huge sums (reckless, I believe is the term) on players,
whilst carrying huge debts.
I believe he insinuated that this was tantamount to cheating.
What changed?

Right, and strangely enough, Valencia, Real Betis, Deportivo were all these clubs with debt spending recklessly, and all nearly went into liquidation. The rule is now in place and these 3 are financially more stable, but it doesn't work.

Platini is on record as saying he brought in FFP because the big clubs wanted it ! See interview with Martin Samuel.