havelocke
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redmanc34 said:
Oh dear...talk about research... Falcao was free was he?
Or are you saying that loan fees don't count? ;-)
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Oh dear...talk about research... Falcao was free was he?
Or are you saying that loan fees don't count? ;-)
tommo74
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redmanc34 said:101toMR said:Who has the most expensive premier league team ever assembled?
Whose wage bill is the highest in premier league history?
The short answer is the rags.
Who's buying success and wants the door shut for any other club who wants to compete financially?
I hate that club with a passion that's borne of their c**tish greedy behaviour over the years.
Aguero Del Castillo, Sergio- £38m
*Boyata, Dedryck Anga- £0
Caballero Lazcano, Wilfredo Daniel- £6m
*Clichy, Gael- £7m
Demichelis, Martin Gaston- £3.5m
Dzeko, Edin- £27m
*Hart, Charles Joseph John- £0.5m
Jimenez Silva, David Josue- £25m
Jovetic, Stevan- £25.8m
Kolarov, Aleksandar- £17m
Kompany, Vincent- £6.7m
*Lampard, Frank James- £0
Luiz Roza, Fernando- £12m
Mangala, Eliaquim- £42m
*Milner, James Philip- £26m
Nasri, Samir- £22m
Navas, Jesus- £22.9m
Reges, Fernando Francisco- £30m
Sagna, Bacary- £0
Toure, Gnegneri Yaya- £24m
*Wright, Richard Ian- £0
Zabaleta Girod, Pablo Javier- £6.5m
Bony, Wilfried - £28m
Total £369.9m
Manchester United
Blind, Daley- £13.8m
*Carrick, Michael- £18.6m
De Gea Quintana, David- £18.9m
Di Maria, Angel Fabian- £59.7m
*Evans, Jonathan Grant- £0
Fellaini-Bakkioui, Marouane- £27.5m
Garcia Zarate, Radamel Falcao -£0
Herrera Aguera, Ander- £29m
*Jones, Philip Anthony- £17m
Lindegaard, Anders Rozenkrantz- £3.5m
*Lingard, Jesse Ellis- £0
Mata Garcia, Juan Manuel- £37.1m
*Pereira da Silva, Rafael- £2.5m
Rojo, Faustino Marcos Alberto- £16m
*Rooney, Wayne Mark- £27m
*Shaw, Luke- £27m
*Smalling, Christopher- £10m
Valdes i Arribas, Victor- £0
Valencia Mosquera, Luis Antonio- £16m
Van Persie, Robin- £22m
*Young, Ashley Simon- £17m
Total £362.6m
I think someone has been listening to too much TV and radio. I mean you'd at least research it first wouldn't you lads.
They're the squads that have been registered with the Premier League. I've even helped you out there, because Luke Shaw isn't registered because of his age.
You also convenietly forgot falcaos wage bill
M18CTID
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redmanc34 said:lloydie said:redmanc34 said:Do you think that's why FFP is about. Jesus christ. You realise 24 Spanish clubs nearly went into liquidation because their expenses outweighed their income as they were all pursuing European football, or La Liga football. So do you think FIFA and UEFA would be more bothered about trying to maintain a professional league structure in places like Spain, or stopping City from doing whatever it is you're doing, and you say United fans are self absorbed. The new TV deal will put you on par with every other English club in the transfer market, and will put the top 4 Premier League clubs in a position to spend more than all the clubs in Spain, Portugal, Italy, Germany etc. So when English clubs are still struggling in Europe even though everything is in our favour, are you still gonna play the FFP card?
So FFP was introduced to protect Spanish clubs? PMSL
Your c**ty club were once again trying to rig the system in your own favour, this was not to protect any other club,your previous and subsequent actions show absolutely zip regard for anything other than your own self interest, and when it coincides with Liverpool's you hop straight into bed with them, the Arse and Spurs to get the same thing introduced in the UK (Portsmouth would have passed FFP).
Oh and that 34yr banner? It was half paid for by the club, half by your flag group, pathetic c**ts the lot of you.
It's there to protect all clubs, but mainly it was introduced due to the shocking state of finances in Italy, Spain, Greece, Portugal etc. You realise every single professional club has to abide by FFP rules. Not just UEFA. League 2 all the way up to the Prem have FFP rules. They differ depending what league you're in.
What's this cosy club we're trying to protect then? You do realise since 1992 when the European Cup became the Champions League, there's been 13 different winners and 18 different finalists. The Premier League has had 5 different winners including yourselves, which says that its actually more of a closed shop than UEFA football. so you're very much a part of this 'club' you hate.
Really? This is what Michel Platini said in 2009 which kinds of tells it's own story as to who FFP was aimed at. I will add that I don't think FFP was specifically brought in to stop City, more that it was brought in to stop another City, and there are certain aspects of the Regs outside of the break-even requirement that make a lot of sense such as clubs having to settle their bills with other clubs on time. However, there's no doubt from Platini's words that some of Europe's so-called elite clubs urged UEFA to do something to curb the type of ownership model that City have and were far more arsed about that than protecting Europe's more vulnerable clubs. No amount of spin will convince me otherwise because Platini admits it himself - rich benefactors investing money in football clubs are hilariously more of a no-no to him than those clubs that borrow money and go into debt:
"It's mainly the owners that asked us to do something. Roman Abramovich, Silvio Berlusconi at AC Milan and Massimo Moratti at Inter," Platini said. "They do not want to fork out any more.
"Manchester City can spend £300m if they want to but if they are not breaking even in three years then they cannot play in European competition.
"I have met with Abramovich, who is a football person and passionate about the game. He said that we must do something about this.
"It doesn't matter if one team doesn't agree, because this is what the clubs want."
Confident the plan would do nothing to affect clubs in the long run and in fact could help them acquire more financial backers, Platini added: "Under the new system, you will get more investors in the future because they will be able to make money.
"At the moment you don't get these businessmen because clubs are losing money.
"If a club can get loans from a bank to buy players and is able to pay back bank loans, then it is not a problem. But if a club gets a lot of money or subsidies from a big backer and is still in deficit in two years, then it is a problem and we don't like that."
dave_blue12 said:redmanc34 said:Bodicoteblue said:Perhaps he could also concern himself with the reasons that platini's original campaign about club finances in Europe was concerned almost exclusively about clubs spending huge sums (reckless, I believe is the term) on players,
whilst carrying huge debts.
I believe he insinuated that this was tantamount to cheating.
What changed?
Right, and strangely enough, Valencia, Real Betis, Deportivo were all these clubs with debt spending recklessly, and all nearly went into liquidation. The rule is now in place and these 3 are financially more stable, but it doesn't work.
Platini is on record as saying he brought in FFP because the big clubs wanted it ! See interview with Martin Samuel.
And we're completely debt-free whilst United are hundreds of millions in debt.
Who got punished again?
lloydie said:redmanc34 said:Maly Wilson said:So Ragmanc, can you please enlighten us as to why FFP in it's current form was brought in & what makes it 'fair'?
If you seriously think it was for any reason other than to protect the cosy cartel, I look forward to hearing your comedy gold reasons.
Cheers for posting on BM by the way, I think you've brought a smile to a lot of blues faces. Keep on posting fella, really enjoying reading your posts
I just would love to know who is in this Cartel? As that's comedy gold. Is it Champions League winners, finalists, European Cup Finalists and winners. UEFA Cup and Europe League finalists and winners? Whats the conditions you need to be in this cartel.
And anyway, why are you bothered about FFP, as I said, with the new TV deal, you'll be rolling in the dough. You'll have more disposable income than Porto, Shakhtar, Valencia, Bayern, possibly even Barcelona and Real Madrid. So I just wanna know your excuse next season when you don't win the Champions League. It's easier to blame it on FFP, and United corrupting football than actually look at your own 'poor recruitment' as i've seen on this forum or your players 'lack of motivation'
That's the point thicko, we think it is UNFAIR, regardless of whether we are going to benefit and we don't see why other clubs should not be afforded the same opportunity we were lucky enough to have.
As for the identity of the Cartel, I suggest you read some of Platini's on the record statements about who the interested parties were that he spoke to, essentially the old G14, Gill, Berlosconi, Abramovich, Ruminegge et al.
The PL and Football League FFP are entirely separate (and significantly different) from UEFA's, although your club was a leading light in the composition of both UEFA and the PL's.
You seem to know jackshit on the subject so maybe you might want to leave it alone.
Na i think you fail to understand football. See what UEFA are after is basically exactly what Southampton are doing right now. And they're near enough shutting all the critics of FFP up. Southampton invested large sums of money they received years back from parachute payments, sponsorship, and TV rights into their academy. They've built from the bottom upwards, players like Lallana, Shaw, Bale, Oxlade-Chamerlain, Walcott, Ward-Prowse all graduates of their academy. They cost them nothing, all bar Ward-Prowse have been sold for big fees, and they spent that money on very precise recruitment, which is why they will be playing in Europe next season. A club with 33,000 average gates, a mid-sized club. And then what happens now is they might sell Ward-Prowse, they'll get more money from finishing higher up the league. Then receive money from UEFA for being in their competition. If they're smart and wise, they'll use that towards recruitment, and youth, and then they could push themselves into the top 4. A mid-sized club, not making a loss and producing its own players, with the potential to play in the Champions League. Thats what UEFA are after, hence why there is also a homegrown rule that was introduced around the same time as FFP. So tell me, you use Villa and Everton as an example saying they'll never achieve anything without outside investment and thats why FFP is unfair. Well unfortunately for you Southampton have shattered that argument.
mancitymick
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Why do all rags claim to be never wrong and are all part time accountants ?
M18CTID
Well-Known Member
redmanc34 said:lloydie said:redmanc34 said:I just would love to know who is in this Cartel? As that's comedy gold. Is it Champions League winners, finalists, European Cup Finalists and winners. UEFA Cup and Europe League finalists and winners? Whats the conditions you need to be in this cartel.
And anyway, why are you bothered about FFP, as I said, with the new TV deal, you'll be rolling in the dough. You'll have more disposable income than Porto, Shakhtar, Valencia, Bayern, possibly even Barcelona and Real Madrid. So I just wanna know your excuse next season when you don't win the Champions League. It's easier to blame it on FFP, and United corrupting football than actually look at your own 'poor recruitment' as i've seen on this forum or your players 'lack of motivation'
That's the point thicko, we think it is UNFAIR, regardless of whether we are going to benefit and we don't see why other clubs should not be afforded the same opportunity we were lucky enough to have.
As for the identity of the Cartel, I suggest you read some of Platini's on the record statements about who the interested parties were that he spoke to, essentially the old G14, Gill, Berlosconi, Abramovich, Ruminegge et al.
The PL and Football League FFP are entirely separate (and significantly different) from UEFA's, although your club was a leading light in the composition of both UEFA and the PL's.
You seem to know jackshit on the subject so maybe you might want to leave it alone.
Na i think you fail to understand football. See what UEFA are after is basically exactly what Southampton are doing right now. And they're near enough shutting all the critics of FFP up. Southampton invested large sums of money they received years back from parachute payments, sponsorship, and TV rights into their academy. They've built from the bottom upwards, players like Lallana, Shaw, Bale, Oxlade-Chamerlain, Walcott, Ward-Prowse all graduates of their academy. They cost them nothing, all bar Ward-Prowse have been sold for big fees, and they spent that money on very precise recruitment, which is why they will be playing in Europe next season. A club with 33,000 average gates, a mid-sized club. And then what happens now is they might sell Ward-Prowse, they'll get more money from finishing higher up the league. Then receive money from UEFA for being in their competition. If they're smart and wise, they'll use that towards recruitment, and youth, and then they could push themselves into the top 4. A mid-sized club, not making a loss and producing its own players, with the potential to play in the Champions League. Thats what UEFA are after, hence why there is also a homegrown rule that was introduced around the same time as FFP. So tell me, you use Villa and Everton as an example saying they'll never achieve anything without outside investment and thats why FFP is unfair. Well unfortunately for you Southampton have shattered that argument.
Oh, silly me - I must've missed Southampton smashing the top 4 cartel in the past few seasons and winning a couple of league titles and a domestic trophy or two.
redmanc34 said:101toMR said:Who has the most expensive premier league team ever assembled?
Whose wage bill is the highest in premier league history?
The short answer is the rags.
Who's buying success and wants the door shut for any other club who wants to compete financially?
I hate that club with a passion that's borne of their c**tish greedy behaviour over the years.
Aguero Del Castillo, Sergio- £38m
*Boyata, Dedryck Anga- £0
Caballero Lazcano, Wilfredo Daniel- £6m
*Clichy, Gael- £7m
Demichelis, Martin Gaston- £3.5m
Dzeko, Edin- £27m
*Hart, Charles Joseph John- £0.5m
Jimenez Silva, David Josue- £25m
Jovetic, Stevan- £25.8m
Kolarov, Aleksandar- £17m
Kompany, Vincent- £6.7m
*Lampard, Frank James- £0
Luiz Roza, Fernando- £12m
Mangala, Eliaquim- £42m
*Milner, James Philip- £26m
Nasri, Samir- £22m
Navas, Jesus- £22.9m
Reges, Fernando Francisco- £30m
Sagna, Bacary- £0
Toure, Gnegneri Yaya- £24m
*Wright, Richard Ian- £0
Zabaleta Girod, Pablo Javier- £6.5m
Bony, Wilfried - £28m
Total £369.9m
Manchester United
Blind, Daley- £13.8m
*Carrick, Michael- £18.6m
De Gea Quintana, David- £18.9m
Di Maria, Angel Fabian- £59.7m
*Evans, Jonathan Grant- £0
Fellaini-Bakkioui, Marouane- £27.5m
Garcia Zarate, Radamel Falcao -£0
Herrera Aguera, Ander- £29m
*Jones, Philip Anthony- £17m
Lindegaard, Anders Rozenkrantz- £3.5m
*Lingard, Jesse Ellis- £0
Mata Garcia, Juan Manuel- £37.1m
*Pereira da Silva, Rafael- £2.5m
Rojo, Faustino Marcos Alberto- £16m
*Rooney, Wayne Mark- £27m
*Shaw, Luke- £27m
*Smalling, Christopher- £10m
Valdes i Arribas, Victor- £0
Valencia Mosquera, Luis Antonio- £16m
Van Persie, Robin- £22m
*Young, Ashley Simon- £17m
Total £362.6m
I think someone has been listening to too much TV and radio. I mean you'd at least research it first wouldn't you lads.
They're the squads that have been registered with the Premier League. I've even helped you out there, because Luke Shaw isn't registered because of his age.
You were previously very keen on this site as a source for your research...
<a class="postlink" href="http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/wayne-rooney/profil/spieler/3332" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/wayne-ro ... ieler/3332</a>
or ...
<a class="postlink" href="http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/robin-van-persie/profil/spieler/4380" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/robin-va ... ieler/4380</a>
what happened?
Oh and what happened with Nani and Powell, dont they count or are they expunged from your memory already?
Fuckoff with your "research" we can tell the difference between that and LIes.
redmanc34 said:lloydie said:redmanc34 said:I just would love to know who is in this Cartel? As that's comedy gold. Is it Champions League winners, finalists, European Cup Finalists and winners. UEFA Cup and Europe League finalists and winners? Whats the conditions you need to be in this cartel.
And anyway, why are you bothered about FFP, as I said, with the new TV deal, you'll be rolling in the dough. You'll have more disposable income than Porto, Shakhtar, Valencia, Bayern, possibly even Barcelona and Real Madrid. So I just wanna know your excuse next season when you don't win the Champions League. It's easier to blame it on FFP, and United corrupting football than actually look at your own 'poor recruitment' as i've seen on this forum or your players 'lack of motivation'
That's the point thicko, we think it is UNFAIR, regardless of whether we are going to benefit and we don't see why other clubs should not be afforded the same opportunity we were lucky enough to have.
As for the identity of the Cartel, I suggest you read some of Platini's on the record statements about who the interested parties were that he spoke to, essentially the old G14, Gill, Berlosconi, Abramovich, Ruminegge et al.
The PL and Football League FFP are entirely separate (and significantly different) from UEFA's, although your club was a leading light in the composition of both UEFA and the PL's.
You seem to know jackshit on the subject so maybe you might want to leave it alone.
Na i think you fail to understand football. See what UEFA are after is basically exactly what Southampton are doing right now. And they're near enough shutting all the critics of FFP up. Southampton invested large sums of money they received years back from parachute payments, sponsorship, and TV rights into their academy. They've built from the bottom upwards, players like Lallana, Shaw, Bale, Oxlade-Chamerlain, Walcott, Ward-Prowse all graduates of their academy. They cost them nothing, all bar Ward-Prowse have been sold for big fees, and they spent that money on very precise recruitment, which is why they will be playing in Europe next season. A club with 33,000 average gates, a mid-sized club. And then what happens now is they might sell Ward-Prowse, they'll get more money from finishing higher up the league. Then receive money from UEFA for being in their competition. If they're smart and wise, they'll use that towards recruitment, and youth, and then they could push themselves into the top 4. A mid-sized club, not making a loss and producing its own players, with the potential to play in the Champions League. Thats what UEFA are after, hence why there is also a homegrown rule that was introduced around the same time as FFP. So tell me, you use Villa and Everton as an example saying they'll never achieve anything without outside investment and thats why FFP is unfair. Well unfortunately for you Southampton have shattered that argument.
Au contraire, you know jackshit about football apart from the propaganda you've been spoon fed, the critics have hardly started, even Ratboy now say's it's wrong.
Are you sure Southampton are happy that they are in no position to hold on to their better players, course they are 'cos the little boy within them can understand that everyone wants to play for your scummy cunty club.
I'm going to leave you to the others as I can't be arsed refuting the pravda stuff you regurgitate or the stuff you make up as you go along.
Paul Lake's Left Knee
Well-Known Member
redmanc34 said:lloydie said:redmanc34 said:I just would love to know who is in this Cartel? As that's comedy gold. Is it Champions League winners, finalists, European Cup Finalists and winners. UEFA Cup and Europe League finalists and winners? Whats the conditions you need to be in this cartel.
And anyway, why are you bothered about FFP, as I said, with the new TV deal, you'll be rolling in the dough. You'll have more disposable income than Porto, Shakhtar, Valencia, Bayern, possibly even Barcelona and Real Madrid. So I just wanna know your excuse next season when you don't win the Champions League. It's easier to blame it on FFP, and United corrupting football than actually look at your own 'poor recruitment' as i've seen on this forum or your players 'lack of motivation'
That's the point thicko, we think it is UNFAIR, regardless of whether we are going to benefit and we don't see why other clubs should not be afforded the same opportunity we were lucky enough to have.
As for the identity of the Cartel, I suggest you read some of Platini's on the record statements about who the interested parties were that he spoke to, essentially the old G14, Gill, Berlosconi, Abramovich, Ruminegge et al.
The PL and Football League FFP are entirely separate (and significantly different) from UEFA's, although your club was a leading light in the composition of both UEFA and the PL's.
You seem to know jackshit on the subject so maybe you might want to leave it alone.
Na i think you fail to understand football. See what UEFA are after is basically exactly what Southampton are doing right now. And they're near enough shutting all the critics of FFP up. Southampton invested large sums of money they received years back from parachute payments, sponsorship, and TV rights into their academy. They've built from the bottom upwards, players like Lallana, Shaw, Bale, Oxlade-Chamerlain, Walcott, Ward-Prowse all graduates of their academy. They cost them nothing, all bar Ward-Prowse have been sold for big fees, and they spent that money on very precise recruitment, which is why they will be playing in Europe next season. A club with 33,000 average gates, a mid-sized club. And then what happens now is they might sell Ward-Prowse, they'll get more money from finishing higher up the league. Then receive money from UEFA for being in their competition. If they're smart and wise, they'll use that towards recruitment, and youth, and then they could push themselves into the top 4. A mid-sized club, not making a loss and producing its own players, with the potential to play in the Champions League. Thats what UEFA are after, hence why there is also a homegrown rule that was introduced around the same time as FFP. So tell me, you use Villa and Everton as an example saying they'll never achieve anything without outside investment and thats why FFP is unfair. Well unfortunately for you Southampton have shattered that argument.
You are a total revisionist, making stuff up as you go along, typical rag behaviour.
Southampton were bankrolled by billionaire Markus Liebherr, a sugar daddy that helped them spend there way back to the top flight, whilst also putting the infrastructure in place, the majority teams at a lower level have a decision to either invest in their youth or sign players, Southampton did both, without his investment they would be nowhere near where they are now. The figures you quote on the above list of transfers are wrong, also there is no fee for Falcao's loan £6m, no Nani, little Penis and your other loans, your wage bill also exceeds ours. As for FFP, Platini thought up the idea, it was because you played Chelsea in the CL final and had a combined debt of over £1.25 billion, the idea was to limit the amount of debt that clubs could incur, however, due to G14 clubs rejecting it out of hand and threatening a breakaway, Uefa relented and bastardised the regulations to be all about revenue and not being able to spend above that, whilst conveniently ignoring debt entirely as clubs like you, Chelsea, Arsenal, Inter, AC, Juve, Real all had eye watering debts. What the FFP regulations therefore did was ensure the clubs with the largest income could spend the most, thus maintaining the status quo, that is cartel creation. Just because we have forced our way in and are part of the club now, it doesnt make it right. I have friends who are fans of clubs like Villa, Newcastle, Spurs and others, I would love them to go through what i have been through recently with City, but because of the G14 clubs fearing their futures at the top of the game were in jeopardy, they created a situation where they wont be able to. Funny now that some of the G14 clubs are being fucked over by FFP, there are grumblings that its unfair.
havelocke said:redmanc34 said:101toMR said:Who has the most expensive premier league team ever assembled?
Whose wage bill is the highest in premier league history?
The short answer is the rags.
Who's buying success and wants the door shut for any other club who wants to compete financially?
I hate that club with a passion that's borne of their c**tish greedy behaviour over the years.
Aguero Del Castillo, Sergio- £38m
*Boyata, Dedryck Anga- £0
Caballero Lazcano, Wilfredo Daniel- £6m
*Clichy, Gael- £7m
Demichelis, Martin Gaston- £3.5m
Dzeko, Edin- £27m
*Hart, Charles Joseph John- £0.5m
Jimenez Silva, David Josue- £25m
Jovetic, Stevan- £25.8m
Kolarov, Aleksandar- £17m
Kompany, Vincent- £6.7m
*Lampard, Frank James- £0
Luiz Roza, Fernando- £12m
Mangala, Eliaquim- £42m
*Milner, James Philip- £26m
Nasri, Samir- £22m
Navas, Jesus- £22.9m
Reges, Fernando Francisco- £30m
Sagna, Bacary- £0
Toure, Gnegneri Yaya- £24m
*Wright, Richard Ian- £0
Zabaleta Girod, Pablo Javier- £6.5m
Bony, Wilfried - £28m
Total £369.9m
Manchester United
Blind, Daley- £13.8m
*Carrick, Michael- £18.6m
De Gea Quintana, David- £18.9m
Di Maria, Angel Fabian- £59.7m
*Evans, Jonathan Grant- £0
Fellaini-Bakkioui, Marouane- £27.5m
Garcia Zarate, Radamel Falcao -£0
Herrera Aguera, Ander- £29m
*Jones, Philip Anthony- £17m
Lindegaard, Anders Rozenkrantz- £3.5m
*Lingard, Jesse Ellis- £0
Mata Garcia, Juan Manuel- £37.1m
*Pereira da Silva, Rafael- £2.5m
Rojo, Faustino Marcos Alberto- £16m
*Rooney, Wayne Mark- £27m
*Shaw, Luke- £27m
*Smalling, Christopher- £10m
Valdes i Arribas, Victor- £0
Valencia Mosquera, Luis Antonio- £16m
Van Persie, Robin- £22m
*Young, Ashley Simon- £17m
Total £362.6m
I think someone has been listening to too much TV and radio. I mean you'd at least research it first wouldn't you lads.
They're the squads that have been registered with the Premier League. I've even helped you out there, because Luke Shaw isn't registered because of his age.
Oh dear...talk about research... Falcao was free was he?
Or are you saying that loan fees don't count? ;-)
Why is there an amount next to the rag players?
Is he now saying they paid for them and they didn't come through the yoof system?
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