United Thread 2014/15 (continued)

[bluemc1]

i honestly don't know the answer but we all know who i suspect it is, who has broke the british transfer record more times than any other club ? who was the first club to pay £50,000 a week in wages ? £100.000 a week in wages ? £300,000 a week in wages ?
the only clubs to win PL outside Arsenal & United are Blackburn Chelsea & City and all have had to spend millions to do it, so were we all just meant to watch those 2 take it in turns winning it ?
its great for the neutral that its not a 2 horse race and I've never spoke to any fan outside a top 4 side who has a problem with what we have done so do you want us to believe that United fans are being honest when they say its ruining football ? what a load of bollocks.
whats not fair ? they picked our club over theirs ?

 

[redmanc34]

Who has the most expensive premier league team ever assembled?
Whose wage bill is the highest in premier league history?

The short answer is the rags.

Who's buying success and wants the door shut for any other club who wants to compete financially?
I hate that club with a passion that's borne of their c**tish greedy behaviour over the years.

Aguero Del Castillo, Sergio- £38m
*Boyata, Dedryck Anga- £0
Caballero Lazcano, Wilfredo Daniel- £6m
*Clichy, Gael- £7m
Demichelis, Martin Gaston- £3.5m
Dzeko, Edin- £27m
*Hart, Charles Joseph John- £0.5m
Jimenez Silva, David Josue- £25m
Jovetic, Stevan- £25.8m
Kolarov, Aleksandar- £17m
Kompany, Vincent- £6.7m
*Lampard, Frank James- £0
Luiz Roza, Fernando- £12m
Mangala, Eliaquim- £42m
*Milner, James Philip- £26m
Nasri, Samir- £22m
Navas, Jesus- £22.9m
Reges, Fernando Francisco- £30m
Sagna, Bacary- £0
Toure, Gnegneri Yaya- £24m
*Wright, Richard Ian- £0
Zabaleta Girod, Pablo Javier- £6.5m
Bony, Wilfried - £28m

Total £369.9m

Manchester United


Blind, Daley- £13.8m
*Carrick, Michael- £18.6m
De Gea Quintana, David- £18.9m
Di Maria, Angel Fabian- £59.7m
*Evans, Jonathan Grant- £0
Fellaini-Bakkioui, Marouane- £27.5m
Garcia Zarate, Radamel Falcao -£0
Herrera Aguera, Ander- £29m
*Jones, Philip Anthony- £17m
Lindegaard, Anders Rozenkrantz- £3.5m
*Lingard, Jesse Ellis- £0
Mata Garcia, Juan Manuel- £37.1m
*Pereira da Silva, Rafael- £2.5m
Rojo, Faustino Marcos Alberto- £16m
*Rooney, Wayne Mark- £27m
*Shaw, Luke- £27m
*Smalling, Christopher- £10m
Valdes i Arribas, Victor- £0
Valencia Mosquera, Luis Antonio- £16m
Van Persie, Robin- £22m
*Young, Ashley Simon- £17m

Total £362.6m

I think someone has been listening to too much TV and radio. I mean you'd at least research it first wouldn't you lads.

They're the squads that have been registered with the Premier League. I've even helped you out there, because Luke Shaw isn't registered because of his age.

You were previously very keen on this site as a source for your research...

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/wayne-rooney/profil/spieler/3332" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/wayne-ro ... ieler/3332</a>

or ...

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/robin-van-persie/profil/spieler/4380" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/robin-va ... ieler/4380</a>

what happened?

Oh and what happened with Nani and Powell, dont they count or are they expunged from your memory already?

Fuckoff with your "research" we can tell the difference between that and LIes.

That's the point thicko, we think it is UNFAIR, regardless of whether we are going to benefit and we don't see why other clubs should not be afforded the same opportunity we were lucky enough to have.

As for the identity of the Cartel, I suggest you read some of Platini's on the record statements about who the interested parties were that he spoke to, essentially the old G14, Gill, Berlosconi, Abramovich, Ruminegge et al.

The PL and Football League FFP are entirely separate (and significantly different) from UEFA's, although your club was a leading light in the composition of both UEFA and the PL's.

You seem to know jackshit on the subject so maybe you might want to leave it alone.

Na i think you fail to understand football. See what UEFA are after is basically exactly what Southampton are doing right now. And they're near enough shutting all the critics of FFP up. Southampton invested large sums of money they received years back from parachute payments, sponsorship, and TV rights into their academy. They've built from the bottom upwards, players like Lallana, Shaw, Bale, Oxlade-Chamerlain, Walcott, Ward-Prowse all graduates of their academy. They cost them nothing, all bar Ward-Prowse have been sold for big fees, and they spent that money on very precise recruitment, which is why they will be playing in Europe next season. A club with 33,000 average gates, a mid-sized club. And then what happens now is they might sell Ward-Prowse, they'll get more money from finishing higher up the league. Then receive money from UEFA for being in their competition. If they're smart and wise, they'll use that towards recruitment, and youth, and then they could push themselves into the top 4. A mid-sized club, not making a loss and producing its own players, with the potential to play in the Champions League. Thats what UEFA are after, hence why there is also a homegrown rule that was introduced around the same time as FFP. So tell me, you use Villa and Everton as an example saying they'll never achieve anything without outside investment and thats why FFP is unfair. Well unfortunately for you Southampton have shattered that argument.

Au contraire, you know jackshit about football apart from the propaganda you've been spoon fed, the critics have hardly started, even Ratboy now say's it's wrong.

Are you sure Southampton are happy that they are in no position to hold on to their better players, course they are 'cos the little boy within them can understand that everyone wants to play for your scummy c**ty club.

I'm going to leave you to the others as I can't be arsed refuting the pravda stuff you regurgitate or the stuff you make up as you go along.

transferleague.co.uk

And Nani is out on loan, so if you wanna even that out then I shouldn't count Falcao. Plus those are the registered squads by both clubs. So why would you register Nani who is in Portugal. And i'm the thick twat?

 

[redmanc34]

That's the point thicko, we think it is UNFAIR, regardless of whether we are going to benefit and we don't see why other clubs should not be afforded the same opportunity we were lucky enough to have.

As for the identity of the Cartel, I suggest you read some of Platini's on the record statements about who the interested parties were that he spoke to, essentially the old G14, Gill, Berlosconi, Abramovich, Ruminegge et al.

The PL and Football League FFP are entirely separate (and significantly different) from UEFA's, although your club was a leading light in the composition of both UEFA and the PL's.

You seem to know jackshit on the subject so maybe you might want to leave it alone.

Na i think you fail to understand football. See what UEFA are after is basically exactly what Southampton are doing right now. And they're near enough shutting all the critics of FFP up. Southampton invested large sums of money they received years back from parachute payments, sponsorship, and TV rights into their academy. They've built from the bottom upwards, players like Lallana, Shaw, Bale, Oxlade-Chamerlain, Walcott, Ward-Prowse all graduates of their academy. They cost them nothing, all bar Ward-Prowse have been sold for big fees, and they spent that money on very precise recruitment, which is why they will be playing in Europe next season. A club with 33,000 average gates, a mid-sized club. And then what happens now is they might sell Ward-Prowse, they'll get more money from finishing higher up the league. Then receive money from UEFA for being in their competition. If they're smart and wise, they'll use that towards recruitment, and youth, and then they could push themselves into the top 4. A mid-sized club, not making a loss and producing its own players, with the potential to play in the Champions League. Thats what UEFA are after, hence why there is also a homegrown rule that was introduced around the same time as FFP. So tell me, you use Villa and Everton as an example saying they'll never achieve anything without outside investment and thats why FFP is unfair. Well unfortunately for you Southampton have shattered that argument.

Oh, silly me - I must've missed Southampton smashing the top 4 cartel in the past few seasons and winning a couple of league titles and a domestic trophy or two.

Just like investment though it takes time. I thought you lads were educated about football? Montpellier won the French League without spending a shiteload, Mainz finished in the top 6 of the Bundesliga last year, and Augsburg looking likely to this year. Yet the 'Cartel Clubs' of Hamburg and Stuttgart might get relegated. Villarreal still consistently punch above their weight. Your bot Pellegrini took them to 2nd and the semi's of the CL. Athletic Bilbao get into Europe every season with a sqaud that is about 70% academy graduates. Malaga have also broke into the top 6, that was without the Al-Thani money. Atletico Madrid won the league through good coaching and recruitment, as they have nowhere near the amounts of money that Barca and Real Madrid do. It took Simeone a few years of hard graft though

 

[mancitymick]

Redmanc you really are an obnoxious RAG Scum Unct

 

[redmanc34]

i honestly don't know the answer but we all know who i suspect it is, who has broke the british transfer record more times than any other club ? who was the first club to pay £50,000 a week in wages ? £100.000 a week in wages ? £300,000 a week in wages ?
the only clubs to win PL outside Arsenal & United are Blackburn Chelsea & City and all have had to spend millions to do it, so were we all just meant to watch those 2 take it in turns winning it ?
its great for the neutral that its not a 2 horse race and I've never spoke to any fan outside a top 4 side who has a problem with what we have done so do you want us to believe that United fans are being honest when they say its ruining football ? what a load of bollocks.
whats not fair ? they picked our club over theirs ?

I completely agree with you that competition is good, but the Premier League is run poorly for me anyway, i'm not saying what you're doing is ruining foorball or unfair, but the competition should have never got the stage it's got to where it was a 2 horse race just like you said. I honestly believe if FFP had come in 15-20 years ago, it actually would have been more even. Which is why it will be a good thing in the long run. If it was there 20 years ago, then United have to make a choice between expanding a 40,000 seater Old Trafford, or buying a new player or two. Small things like that believe it or not could have changed the equality of the division back then. I actually think it will be more competitive in the long run, but just like when you invest in something it takes time. You invested in that facility this year, so you're not expecting to be producing a conveyor belt of Messi's every year, but it goves you a better chance of producing players and the standard will increase over time. The same goes with FFP

 

[Latics Fan SJK]

Aguero Del Castillo, Sergio- £38m
*Boyata, Dedryck Anga- £0
Caballero Lazcano, Wilfredo Daniel- £6m
*Clichy, Gael- £7m
Demichelis, Martin Gaston- £3.5m
Dzeko, Edin- £27m
*Hart, Charles Joseph John- £0.5m
Jimenez Silva, David Josue- £25m
Jovetic, Stevan- £25.8m
Kolarov, Aleksandar- £17m
Kompany, Vincent- £6.7m
*Lampard, Frank James- £0
Luiz Roza, Fernando- £12m
Mangala, Eliaquim- £42m
*Milner, James Philip- £26m
Nasri, Samir- £22m
Navas, Jesus- £22.9m
Reges, Fernando Francisco- £30m
Sagna, Bacary- £0
Toure, Gnegneri Yaya- £24m
*Wright, Richard Ian- £0
Zabaleta Girod, Pablo Javier- £6.5m
Bony, Wilfried - £28m

Total £369.9m

Manchester United


Blind, Daley- £13.8m
*Carrick, Michael- £18.6m
De Gea Quintana, David- £18.9m
Di Maria, Angel Fabian- £59.7m
*Evans, Jonathan Grant- £0
Fellaini-Bakkioui, Marouane- £27.5m
Garcia Zarate, Radamel Falcao -£0
Herrera Aguera, Ander- £29m
*Jones, Philip Anthony- £17m
Lindegaard, Anders Rozenkrantz- £3.5m
*Lingard, Jesse Ellis- £0
Mata Garcia, Juan Manuel- £37.1m
*Pereira da Silva, Rafael- £2.5m
Rojo, Faustino Marcos Alberto- £16m
*Rooney, Wayne Mark- £27m
*Shaw, Luke- £27m
*Smalling, Christopher- £10m
Valdes i Arribas, Victor- £0
Valencia Mosquera, Luis Antonio- £16m
Van Persie, Robin- £22m
*Young, Ashley Simon- £17m

Total £362.6m

I think someone has been listening to too much TV and radio. I mean you'd at least research it first wouldn't you lads.

They're the squads that have been registered with the Premier League. I've even helped you out there, because Luke Shaw isn't registered because of his age.

You were previously very keen on this site as a source for your research...

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/wayne-rooney/profil/spieler/3332" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/wayne-ro ... ieler/3332</a>

or ...

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/robin-van-persie/profil/spieler/4380" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/robin-va ... ieler/4380</a>

what happened?

Oh and what happened with Nani and Powell, dont they count or are they expunged from your memory already?

Fuckoff with your "research" we can tell the difference between that and LIes.

Na i think you fail to understand football. See what UEFA are after is basically exactly what Southampton are doing right now. And they're near enough shutting all the critics of FFP up. Southampton invested large sums of money they received years back from parachute payments, sponsorship, and TV rights into their academy. They've built from the bottom upwards, players like Lallana, Shaw, Bale, Oxlade-Chamerlain, Walcott, Ward-Prowse all graduates of their academy. They cost them nothing, all bar Ward-Prowse have been sold for big fees, and they spent that money on very precise recruitment, which is why they will be playing in Europe next season. A club with 33,000 average gates, a mid-sized club. And then what happens now is they might sell Ward-Prowse, they'll get more money from finishing higher up the league. Then receive money from UEFA for being in their competition. If they're smart and wise, they'll use that towards recruitment, and youth, and then they could push themselves into the top 4. A mid-sized club, not making a loss and producing its own players, with the potential to play in the Champions League. Thats what UEFA are after, hence why there is also a homegrown rule that was introduced around the same time as FFP. So tell me, you use Villa and Everton as an example saying they'll never achieve anything without outside investment and thats why FFP is unfair. Well unfortunately for you Southampton have shattered that argument.

Au contraire, you know jackshit about football apart from the propaganda you've been spoon fed, the critics have hardly started, even Ratboy now say's it's wrong.

Are you sure Southampton are happy that they are in no position to hold on to their better players, course they are 'cos the little boy within them can understand that everyone wants to play for your scummy c**ty club.

I'm going to leave you to the others as I can't be arsed refuting the pravda stuff you regurgitate or the stuff you make up as you go along.

transferleague.co.uk

And Nani is out on loan, so if you wanna even that out then I shouldn't count Falcao. Plus those are the registered squads by both clubs. So why would you register Nani who is in Portugal. And i'm the thick twat?

Whilst I’d admire your resilience on the subject to a certain degree here, I cannot fathom why you’d omit players who, regardless of whether they’re out on loan or not, are still Manchester United players.

“Manchester United have the most expensive squad in Premier League history” - That’s a statement of fact, and it is that the media are peddling at the moment.
“Manchester United have the most expensive Premier League team registered in a single season” – That’s what you’re trying to get across here for some reason. I can only assume because you don’t like the aforementioned fact.

Nani, Hernandez, Powell et al are all current Manchester United players, who just happen to be on loan at another club. Just because they’re out on loan does not mean they’re not Manchester United employees, and therefore the fees you paid for these players, whilst you continue to employ them, count in the figures the media are correctly peddling. And as for Falcao – I could understand the want for omitting him as he’s a Monaco employee by principle, however the fact that you paid between £4m & £6m to include him in your squad this season says that’s also to be taken into consideration.

Wind it in, for your own sake.

 

[M18CTID]

Na i think you fail to understand football. See what UEFA are after is basically exactly what Southampton are doing right now. And they're near enough shutting all the critics of FFP up. Southampton invested large sums of money they received years back from parachute payments, sponsorship, and TV rights into their academy. They've built from the bottom upwards, players like Lallana, Shaw, Bale, Oxlade-Chamerlain, Walcott, Ward-Prowse all graduates of their academy. They cost them nothing, all bar Ward-Prowse have been sold for big fees, and they spent that money on very precise recruitment, which is why they will be playing in Europe next season. A club with 33,000 average gates, a mid-sized club. And then what happens now is they might sell Ward-Prowse, they'll get more money from finishing higher up the league. Then receive money from UEFA for being in their competition. If they're smart and wise, they'll use that towards recruitment, and youth, and then they could push themselves into the top 4. A mid-sized club, not making a loss and producing its own players, with the potential to play in the Champions League. Thats what UEFA are after, hence why there is also a homegrown rule that was introduced around the same time as FFP. So tell me, you use Villa and Everton as an example saying they'll never achieve anything without outside investment and thats why FFP is unfair. Well unfortunately for you Southampton have shattered that argument.

Oh, silly me - I must've missed Southampton smashing the top 4 cartel in the past few seasons and winning a couple of league titles and a domestic trophy or two.

Just like investment though it takes time. I thought you lads were educated about football? Montpellier won the French League without spending a shiteload, Mainz finished in the top 6 of the Bundesliga last year, and Augsburg looking likely to this year. Yet the 'Cartel Clubs' of Hamburg and Stuttgart might get relegated. Villarreal still consistently punch above their weight. Your bot Pellegrini took them to 2nd and the semi's of the CL. Athletic Bilbao get into Europe every season with a sqaud that is about 70% academy graduates. Malaga have also broke into the top 6, that was without the Al-Thani money. Atletico Madrid won the league through good coaching and recruitment, as they have nowhere near the amounts of money that Barca and Real Madrid do. It took Simeone a few years of hard graft though

Do you seriously think Saints are ever going to win the Premier League without spending a shit load of money of players? Montpellier is a poor example - great achievement but the French league is a far more level playing field than the Premier League. Atletico Madrid - fanatstic what they've done but they're the 3rd biggest team in Spain and won't be able to compete long-term with the riches of Barca and Real. Hamburg and Stuttgart are not members of the G14/G18 cartel so I don't know what the fuck you're going on about there. What I do know is that you're basically saying any club that isn't a true giant in the game in the present day has no fucking right to invest an owner's money to help them grow and compete with the best, and we should all find another way instead. For those very few clubs you've mentioned there are hundreds of well run clubs across Europe that have got no chance of ever seeing sustained success and that in itself is proof that you're talking complete and utter bollocks. If you were that arsed about inequality in football you'd be happy to see United share some of their wealth across the league.

 

[bluemc1]

i honestly don't know the answer but we all know who i suspect it is, who has broke the british transfer record more times than any other club ? who was the first club to pay £50,000 a week in wages ? £100.000 a week in wages ? £300,000 a week in wages ?
the only clubs to win PL outside Arsenal & United are Blackburn Chelsea & City and all have had to spend millions to do it, so were we all just meant to watch those 2 take it in turns winning it ?
its great for the neutral that its not a 2 horse race and I've never spoke to any fan outside a top 4 side who has a problem with what we have done so do you want us to believe that United fans are being honest when they say its ruining football ? what a load of bollocks.
whats not fair ? they picked our club over theirs ?

I completely agree with you that competition is good, but the Premier League is run poorly for me anyway, i'm not saying what you're doing is ruining foorball or unfair, but the competition should have never got the stage it's got to where it was a 2 horse race just like you said. I honestly believe if FFP had come in 15-20 years ago, it actually would have been more even. Which is why it will be a good thing in the long run. If it was there 20 years ago, then United have to make a choice between expanding a 40,000 seater Old Trafford, or buying a new player or two. Small things like that believe it or not could have changed the equality of the division back then. I actually think it will be more competitive in the long run, but just like when you invest in something it takes time. You invested in that facility this year, so you're not expecting to be producing a conveyor belt of Messi's every year, but it goves you a better chance of producing players and the standard will increase over time. The same goes with FFP

decent post to be fair, again i don't know but how many/which clubs got to vote on FFP

 

[redmanc34]

You were previously very keen on this site as a source for your research...

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/wayne-rooney/profil/spieler/3332" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/wayne-ro ... ieler/3332</a>

or ...

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/robin-van-persie/profil/spieler/4380" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/robin-va ... ieler/4380</a>

what happened?

Oh and what happened with Nani and Powell, dont they count or are they expunged from your memory already?

Fuckoff with your "research" we can tell the difference between that and LIes.



Au contraire, you know jackshit about football apart from the propaganda you've been spoon fed, the critics have hardly started, even Ratboy now say's it's wrong.

Are you sure Southampton are happy that they are in no position to hold on to their better players, course they are 'cos the little boy within them can understand that everyone wants to play for your scummy c**ty club.

I'm going to leave you to the others as I can't be arsed refuting the pravda stuff you regurgitate or the stuff you make up as you go along.

transferleague.co.uk

And Nani is out on loan, so if you wanna even that out then I shouldn't count Falcao. Plus those are the registered squads by both clubs. So why would you register Nani who is in Portugal. And i'm the thick twat?

Whilst I’d admire your resilience on the subject to a certain degree here, I cannot fathom why you’d omit players who, regardless of whether they’re out on loan or not, are still Manchester United players.

“Manchester United have the most expensive squad in Premier League history” - That’s a statement of fact, and it is that the media are peddling at the moment.
“Manchester United have the most expensive Premier League team registered in a single season” – That’s what you’re trying to get across here for some reason. I can only assume because you don’t like the aforementioned fact.

Nani, Hernandez, Powell et al are all current Manchester United players, who just happen to be on loan at another club. Just because they’re out on loan does not mean they’re not Manchester United employees, and therefore the fees you paid for these players, whilst you continue to employ them, count in the figures the media are correctly peddling. And as for Falcao – I could understand the want for omitting him as he’s a Monaco employee by principle, however the fact that you paid between £4m & £6m to include him in your squad this season says that’s also to be taken into consideration.

Wind it in, for your own sake.

That's fair enough, but then by the same account we can include Matija Nastasic at £12m, and Alvaro Negredo at £20.6m as his transfer doesn't offically go through until the end of the season, Nani's fee of £13.5m and Nick Powell at £6m, and lets even throw in CHicharito at £6m would still leave you ahead of us. The media were probably peddling that until the end of January as it was true. You bought Bony though, so now you hold that title. Shouldn't always believe the media. I mean you said it yourself the media is all 'pro-Rag'

 

[Paul Lake's Left Knee]

Oh, silly me - I must've missed Southampton smashing the top 4 cartel in the past few seasons and winning a couple of league titles and a domestic trophy or two.

Just like investment though it takes time. I thought you lads were educated about football? Montpellier won the French League without spending a shiteload, Mainz finished in the top 6 of the Bundesliga last year, and Augsburg looking likely to this year. Yet the 'Cartel Clubs' of Hamburg and Stuttgart might get relegated. Villarreal still consistently punch above their weight. Your bot Pellegrini took them to 2nd and the semi's of the CL. Athletic Bilbao get into Europe every season with a sqaud that is about 70% academy graduates. Malaga have also broke into the top 6, that was without the Al-Thani money. Atletico Madrid won the league through good coaching and recruitment, as they have nowhere near the amounts of money that Barca and Real Madrid do. It took Simeone a few years of hard graft though

Do you seriously think Saints are ever going to win the Premier League without spending a shit load of money of players? Montpellier is a poor example - great achievement but the French league is a far more level playing field than the Premier League. Atletico Madrid - fanatstic what they've done but they're the 3rd biggest team in Spain and won't be able to compete long-term with the riches of Barca and Real. Hamburg and Stuttgart are not members of the G14/G18 cartel so I don't know what the fuck you're going on about there. What I do know is that you're basically saying any club that isn't a true giant in the game in the present day has no fucking right to invest an owner's money to help them grow and compete with the best, and we should all find another way instead. For those very few clubs you've mentioned there are hundreds of well run clubs across Europe that have got no chance of ever seeing sustained success and that in itself is proof that you're talking complete and utter bollocks. If you were that arsed about inequality in football you'd be happy to see United share some of their wealth across the league.

He's full of shit, no account taken for the fact that Markus Liebherr a Swiss billionaire bankrolled the Saints back to the Prem, he took them out of administration, they outspent everyone when in league 1, had the biggest squad and then invested in the first team again when they were in the Championship, whilst also investing in their youth system. Without him they would be nowhere near where they are today, good luck to them, I hope they continue to punch above their weight in the PL, however without significant investment in the first team, they wont break into the top 4 teams. Under the current FFP regulations I doubt Southampton would have been able to invest as much as they did, which is ironic that the thick rag is using them as an example for 'doing it right'.