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bluethrunthru said:
You can't just deport people somewhere without agreements - God knows Brexit shows the world that saying it doesn't mean it will happen

news.sky.com

Migrants in shackles led on to US military plane - as Mexico refuses to accept deportation flight

An official said it was the first time in recent memory that American military aircraft were being used to fly migrants out of the US.
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www.yahoo.com

Colombia to block US deportation flights amid growing LatAm pushback

Colombia's president vowed Sunday to block US deportation flights until migrants were guaranteed "dignified treatment," escalating a row between Washington and left-wing Latin American governments over US President Donald Trump's immigration crackdown.Colombia's warning to Washington came amid...
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Sounds like President Petro has already caved.
 
Anyone see this Newsom/Trump exchange at the airport?



I know little about Newsom but I did hear someone state that they’d take Trump over him - and from someone not particularly a great fan of Trump.

Is he divisive? Does he have vampire tendencies behind that statesmanship vibe (at least on the surface)?
Did Joe Rogan diss him….
 
somapop said:
Anyone see this Newsom/Trump exchange at the airport?



I know little about Newsom but I did hear someone state that they’d take Trump over him - and from someone not particularly a great fan of Trump.

Is he divisive? Does he have vampire tendencies behind that statesmanship vibe (at least on the surface)?
Did Joe Rogan diss him….
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The best bit is him trying to do the handshake pull he is known for, forgets he is 78 and weak.
 
BlueMoonAcrossThePond said:
In 2006, the alliance’s defence ministers agreed to commit a minimum of 2 percent of their gross domestic products (GDP) to defence spending to ensure the military readiness of the alliance. Roughly 2/3 of member nations meet this goal:
www.bbc.com

How much do Nato members spend on defence?

Nato expects 23 of its 32 members to have met the target of spending 2% of GDP on defence in 2024.
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www.aljazeera.com

How much is each NATO country spending on its military in 2024?

The 32 members of the world’s most powerful military alliance will spend $1.47 trillion this year.
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>> It has been an anachronism since 1989
To the contrary. It's been mostly successful in preventing aggressor European nations from invading other lands to expand their territory, with Russia the exception - and so far, only attacking non NATO nations. It's been entirely successful in preventing World War III.

And, now, that Russia has invaded Ukraine, it's needed more than ever.
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If being in NATO was what stopped "aggressor European nations invading other lands" why didn't we let Russia join?
 
BlueMoonAcrossThePond said:
You clearly have no concept of the importance of character, truth, and fact-based governance. And you're not alone - more than half of American voters are with you.

If I could place a magic curse to place on you - I would curse you to live under Trump-like regimes for the next 150 years or so. And be totally fucked by climate change, possibly seeing millions killed by emergent pathogens, and likely under attack from Russia or China after they carve up the rest of the world with no opposition from America.

For whatever reason this isn't getting through to you (it's tribal, though - your sources of "news" support this). You are entitled to your own position - you are not entitled to your own facts. I'm happy to debate fact-based reasoning. You, however, are in the fact-free camp, for which no amount of debate can ever, ever prevail.

Since you refuse to advance your choice for US President, let's pin you down on these positions:
* What's your position on climate change?
* What's your position on vaccination?
* How do you feel about emigrants and their role in an economy?
* Do you think that Russia under Putin is a territorially aggressive state that will forever pursue expansion of its borders?
* What do you think about China?

I'm more than happy to answer all of the above and more. You on the other hand, can't even fucking name your prefered US President.

And as a simple test of the importance of character - let's say you were running a restaurant. Would you hire a felon convicted of secual assault, a known liar and a grifter to manage your restaurant? Of course not - that would be insane! And yet you're more than happy to let such to run the most powerful nation on earth. It makes no fucking sense.
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Give it up, mate. You will never know whether Swiss Cheese is being serious, ironic, taking the piss or just wumming. It's his style.
 
Its my pleasure to present to you the Vice President of the United States of America:

JD Vance!!!

 
blueinsa said:
Guys says vote for me and I will do x, y and z.

America votes for the guy and he very quickly does x, y and z.

Vast majority of his supporters are more than happy right now I’d wager and will continue to be so as he does exactly what he said he would do.

The above isn’t an endorsement of the bloke, it’s just an emotionless comment on the way he operates politically and around his big promises to the electorate.
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Again, it blows my mind that so many cant appreciate this. He was clear and forthright about his ideas and plans. There was very little of the political jargon meandering that's so common place with your everyday politician.
 
Dax777 said:
Again, it blows my mind that so many cant appreciate this. He was clear and forthright about his ideas and plans. There was very little of the political jargon meandering that's so common place with your everyday politician.
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It’s a case of exactly what was in the side of the tin.

Fully understand that many do not like what’s in the tin but many obviously do and for them, he delivers.

It’s why he is successful as a politician and before that gets jumped all over, 2 stints in the White House says it all.
 
Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
I think you are wrong. Territorial gains by Russia (eastern Ukraine and crimea) will likely remain as is while we find a way for all sides to dress this up as victory.
We will then keep our arms industry and economies healthy by building up a cold war type military presence along Ukraines western borders with a more discreet presence in Ukraine.
I think trump is serious about Americans not underwriting European defence anymore and NATO members shouldering their share according to GDP. The US will not withdraw though - too much money to be made from cold war 2.
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America First is not just a slogan. Its the goal. Europe is well advised to put Europe first too.

I have no problem with Europeans who find an 'America first' President annoying, they should. But Americans who do are kinda weird. They want to be European do bad...
 
blueinsa said:
It’s a case of exactly what was in the side of the tin.

Fully understand that many do not like what’s in the tin but many obviously do and for them, he delivers.

It’s why he is successful as a politician and before that gets jumped all over, 2 stints in the White House says it all.
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Here is the sad secret, most like a lot of what's in the tin. Even the people who hate him personally and what they consider his horrible rhetoric.

I don't know many who want illegal criminals staying in the country. Not even the most bleeding heart liberal.

I don't know many who don't want a seize fire in Gaza or Ukraine.

I don't know anyone who doesn't want lower prices

And I don't know anyone who wouldn't prefer equal treatment of citizens by the law and government.

At the core of all his bluster that's what he is running on.

True or false. Deliverable or not. Accomplishable or not. That's the beat he marches to
 
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