US Politics Thread

[inbetween]

America First is not just a slogan. Its the goal. Europe is well advised to put Europe first too.

I have no problem with Europeans who find an 'America first' President annoying, they should. But Americans who do are kinda weird. They want to be European do bad...

Since when has Europe put itself first? The economic state of the continent is awful and despite that it actually holds all of the cards to do great things but for whatever reason it is incapable of doing it.

There is a lot to be said for the horrendous governance on the continent and that includes the UK. Europe is quite simply sinking because of stagnation, inaction and a major lack of energy.

And there are some on here who think that every problem in the UK would be instantly resolved if we simply put on our lifejacket and jumped in the lifeboat to sink alongside them.

The perils of Trump are huge but that's because he actually represents action and he was elected on that basis. He won an election by promising to do something whereas his opposite number spent the last year in office asleep. If Europe only had this kind of energy albeit placed in the right direction then maybe we'd get somewhere.

 

[TinFoilHat]

I don’t expect he’s buying pub dust from some geezer down the Farrier’s Arms. I reckon his source will be bought, paid for and secure.

CIA?

 

[FogBlueInSanFran]

I like the phrase "American and her allies first."

But I personally have allies.

I have friends, and make new ones regularly.

I have family for which I'm responsible, and will defend them to the death.

Not all my friends nor family -- nor I -- are perfect. Sometimes we disagree. Some are more dependent on me than others. But there's no mistaking the connection, built on years of trust.

"America first" implies you don't understand what allies are, or how important they are.

And perhaps also implies that you might be short on friends and family.

Or that just maybe you aren't a grown-up.

 

[Dax777]

I like the phrase "American and her allies first."

But I personally have allies.

I have friends, and make new ones regularly.

I have family for which I'm responsible, and will defend them to the death.

Not all my friends nor family -- nor I -- are perfect. Sometimes we disagree. Some are more dependent on me than others. But there's no mistaking the connection, built on years of trust.

"America first" implies you don't understand what allies are, or how important they are.

And perhaps also implies that you might be short on friends and family.

Or that just maybe you aren't a grown-up.

All possibly true. I see why you have soooo many friends :)

 

[KS55]

Again, it blows my mind that so many cant appreciate this. He was clear and forthright about his ideas and plans. There was very little of the political jargon meandering that's so common place with your everyday politician.

Vance is i/c the bringing down of prices. He now says it may take longer than envisaged and his supporters are now saying a rise in prices might be a good thing.
He’s just a hack politician like the rest of them and, of course, he declared himself a ‘never Trumper’ and that violent offenders from J6 should never be pardoned. But you’re right, he does what he said he would.
Ha ha.

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

Vance is i/c the bringing down of prices. He now says it may take longer than envisaged and his supporters are now saying a rise in prices might be a good thing.
He’s just a hack politician like the rest of them and, of course, he declared himself a ‘never Trumper’ and that violent offenders from J6 should never be pardoned. But you’re right, he does what he said he would.
Ha ha.

A bootlicker for Thiel before Trump.

Absolutely no backbone and a grubby opportunist with no values. He'd declare himself a communist if it meant he could be president for life.

 

[Dax777]

Vance is i/c the bringing down of prices. He now says it may take longer than envisaged and his supporters are now saying a rise in prices might be a good thing.
He’s just a hack politician like the rest of them and, of course, he declared himself a ‘never Trumper’ and that violent offenders from J6 should never be pardoned. But you’re right, he does what he said he would.
Ha ha.

Is Vance Donald Trump? That said, im amused by those who are suddenly so worried about prices dropping in 7 days that they didn't worry about for 4 years.

How did he say he was going to drop those prices? Is he doing the things he said he'd do to cause the prices to drop? Yes or No?

As it relates to J6, I agree, violent offenders should not be pardoned. Bit even more importantly, the government should NOT violate the constitutional rights of citizens, even if they acted violently during the riots.

I am disappointed that a few violent rioters got their sentences commuted. I really am. But i accept it. I wont agree with everything Trump does. But I agree with far far more.

 

[KS55]

Is Vance Donald Trump? That said, im amused by those who are suddenly so worried about prices dropping in 7 days that they didn't worry about for 4 years.

How did he say he was going to drop those prices? Is he doing the things he said he'd do to cause the prices to drop? Yes or No?

As it relates to J6, I agree, violent offenders should not be pardoned. Bit even more importantly, the government should NOT violate the constitutional rights of citizens, even if they acted violently during the riots.

I am disappointed that a few violent rioters got their sentences commuted. I really am. But i accept it. I wont agree with everything Trump does. But I agree with far far more.

Vance was asked what actions he was taking to bring down prices. He said several of the Executive orders were aimed in that direction but he couldn’t give any detail.
Most of the pre election talk about prices came from Trump but it appears he has delegated the handling of price reductions to Vance. (A smart move if it fails).
I don’t think they have a cat in hells chance of pushing down prices. Tariffs are counter productive ( the US Imports huge quantities of food, fuel, steel etc) and the price of food is already rising fast as cropping pauses for the raids on undocumented workers. Drill, baby, drill will not bring prices down as US has no capacity to refine the extra.
Frankly, I think it was all just a vote gathering exercise. Fine, they are politicians after all.

 

[Dax777]

Vance was asked what actions he was taking to bring down prices. He said several of the Executive orders were aimed in that direction but he couldn’t give any detail.

False. She cut him off by interjecting that most of the orders weren't focused on bringing down prices. As if the percentage number of orders signed to bring down prices relative to the total amount of orders signed was of any relevance.

She like most leftwing interviewers is an idiot seeking to argue rather than ask and listen.

Most of the pre election talk about prices came from Trump but it appears he has delegated the handling of price reductions to Vance. (A smart move if it fails).
I don’t think they have a cat in hells chance of pushing down prices. Tariffs are counter productive ( the US Imports huge quantities of food, fuel, steel etc) and the price of food is already rising fast as cropping pauses for the raids on undocumented workers. Drill, baby, drill will not bring prices down as US has no capacity to refine the extra.
Frankly, I think it was all just a vote gathering exercise. Fine, they are politicians after all.

Well, there were many who made similar predictions about Argentina's recovery when Milie started slashing government. They are mostly backtracking now.

I was told tariffs never works. Only for Colombia to beck down and accept its criminal population when Trump threatened 25% tariffs.

I wonder why Colombia just didn't take the advice from here and let the American consumer pay the Tariffs. He too must not understand Tariffs is my guess. Or why else would he back down?

 

[Scottyboi]

Slapping tariffs on Taiwan for microchips is an interesting idea, if the companies decide it is cheaper to move production to the US then why would the US care about defending Taiwan anymore? Would take years for them to move to the US and setup, so in the meantime everyone would be paying inflated prices for chips which go into phones and everything else.

 

[KS55]

False. She cut him off by interjecting that most of the orders weren't focused on bringing down prices. As if the percentage number of orders signed to bring down prices relative to the total amount of orders signed was of any relevance.

She like most leftwing interviewers is an idiot seeking to argue rather than ask and listen.


Well, there were many who made similar predictions about Argentina's recovery when Milie started slashing government. They are mostly backtracking now.

I was told tariffs never works. Only for Colombia to beck down and accept its criminal population when Trump threatened 25% tariffs.

I wonder why Colombia just didn't take the advice from here and let the American consumer pay the Tariffs. He too must not understand Tariffs is my guess. Or why else would he back down?

The theory is that tariffs reduce imports as companies seek to keep prices competitive. So Colombia will fear loss of exports to US. There were also other sanctions threatened.
Btw, his interviewer is pretty silly but she interjected after he gave no detail on the exec orders. She did not cut off any explanation he was giving.

 

[I'm With Stupid]

A bootlicker for Thiel before Trump.

Absolutely no backbone and a grubby opportunist with no values. He'd declare himself a communist if it meant he could be president for life.

The American Liz Truss then?

 

[KS55]

America First is not just a slogan. Its the goal. Europe is well advised to put Europe first too.

I have no problem with Europeans who find an 'America first' President annoying, they should. But Americans who do are kinda weird. They want to be European do bad...

America first as a goal? What does it mean? First in what? How do you measure that? It’s nonsense as a goal. Surely it’s a policy guideline, if it is not a slogan.
It means NO COMPROMISE. See “We will have Greenland,” when he was offered a compromise.
Note his statement that Denmark does not allow mining there is a lie. Greenland has full control of mining. Most of the population are opposed to it.

 

[I'm With Stupid]

Slapping tariffs on Taiwan for microchips is an interesting idea, if the companies decide it is cheaper to move production to the US then why would the US care about defending Taiwan anymore? Would take years for them to move to the US and setup, so in the meantime everyone would be paying inflated prices for chips which go into phones and everything else.

Taiwan owns the technology. They're not made in Taiwan because it's cheaper, they're made there because they're light years ahead of the US these days. The latest generation of Apple processors are only possible because of Taiwanese technology, which is why they ditched Intel.

 

[I'm With Stupid]

America first as a goal? What does it mean? First in what? How do you measure that? It’s nonsense as a goal. Surely it’s a policy guideline, if it is not a slogan.
It means NO COMPROMISE.

It's also ridiculous because it suggests that hasn't been the policy up until now. It's like morons who look at the overseas aid budget and think it's just tax money going to another country, rather than a quite obvious attempt to manipulate global politics in your favour. Without proper outward-looking policies that almost always benefit America more than the partner, you're left with the far more expensive solution of trade wars and/or actual wars.

 

[Dax777]

The theory is that tariffs reduce imports as companies seek to keep prices competitive. So Colombia will fear loss of exports to US. There were also other sanctions threatened.
Btw, his interviewer is pretty silly but she interjected after he gave no detail on the exec orders. She did not cut off any explanation he was giving.

Again, these interviewers questions are always loaded with false implications and assumptions. But JD is very good at this, so he first teases out the false assumptions and creates the right frame. Vance isn't responding to her, he is explaining to the American people the government's position.

But he gave a specific answer after first unpacking the loaded question...

" Specifically, all the orders on energy to explore more energy reserves, to develop more energy resources for America. One of the main drivers of price increases under the Biden administration is that we had a massive increase in energy prices and Donald Trump has already taken multiple executive actions that's going to lower energy prices and I do believe consumers are going to see lower prices st the pump and at the grocery store."

I don't understand in what world the above is not considered an answer.

 

[Dax777]

The theory is that tariffs reduce imports as companies seek to keep prices competitive. So Colombia will fear loss of exports to US. There were also other sanctions threatened.
Btw, his interviewer is pretty silly but she interjected after he gave no detail on the exec orders. She did not cut off any explanation he was giving.

Exactly. Again, the experts on Tariffs hear didn't want to hear this no matter how much I pointed it out. Perhaps you can be more palatable.

 

[KS55]

Again, these interviewers questions are always loaded with false implications and assumptions. But JD is very good at this, so he first teases out the false assumptions and creates the right frame. Vance isn't responding to her, he is explaining to the American people the government's position.

But he gave a specific answer after first unpacking the loaded question...

" Specifically, all the orders on energy to explore more energy reserves, to develop more energy resources for America. One of the main drivers of price increases under the Biden administration is that we had a massive increase in energy prices and Donald Trump has already taken multiple executive actions that's going to lower energy prices and I do believe consumers are going to see lower prices st the pump and at the grocery store."

I don't understand in what world the above is not considered an answer.

Because it’s a lie! Vance knows perfectly well that: Even if more drilling produces more oil, that would be years away. How long do you think it takes to develop an oil well? Also years away would be the development of the new refining plants.
Secondly, I don’t think “DT has taken multiple exec actions” is any answer at all. What actions? It was at this point that the interviewer interjected and why I said he produced no detail.

 

[Dax777]

America first as a goal? What does it mean? First in what? How do you measure that? It’s nonsense as a goal. Surely it’s a policy guideline, if it is not a slogan.
It means NO COMPROMISE. See “We will have Greenland,” when he was offered a compromise.
Note his statement that Denmark does not allow mining there is a lie. Greenland has full control of mining. Most of the population are opposed to it.

The role of the American government is to seek whats Best for America and the American people, first, before considering what's best for other nations. That's what it means. It doesn't mean America wants to be first in somd world race or any such idiocy.

Again, you making up some negative headline about what you think it means isn't relevant. America has a hemispheric interest in purchasing Greenland. It may or may not happen. But its in America's interest if it does.

Giving away the Panama Canal that America built was dumb. And now having Panama let China practically run it is unacceptable. So taking that back is American interest first.

 

[Dax777]

Because it’s a lie! Vance knows perfectly well that: Even if more drilling produces more oil, that would be years away. How long do you think it takes to develop an oil well? Also years away would be the development of the new refining plants.
Secondly, I don’t think “DT has taken multiple exec actions” is any answer at all. What actions? It was at this point that the interviewer interjected and why I said he produced no detail.

She interjected earlier first, this was the 2nd interjection... But you are again incorrect as she did not interject saying she didn't get an answey, Here she simply just added after his answer, "Well, there are many things that contributed to higher gas prices and America was at record production."

Again, Vance turned her "gotcha" back on her by responding "Sure, the Biden Admin did many things that contributed to the price increase , and we cant resolve all of it in 5 days." The American people get that.