VAR - 2020/21

[bluetonium]

Any contact at all can be used to legitimize a decision in the modern game. Even if that contact is initiated by the player who is awarded the decision. Dias gave them an excuse to uphold a penalty decision, even if salah then magnified the incident by diving.

We see it time and time against with united, martial and rashford happily move their legs to contact an opponent in the box, creating a coming together, and then go down. Time after time VAR gives a penalty.

Clearly yesterday there was contact, but and this is they key bit, the contact from dias didn't impede the opponent, was no less that dias himself was dealing with from the attacker,a nd clearly salah only had penalty in his mind as soon as he was in that box. All fo each are factors that should be considered in a review, communicated to the teams, managers and viewers, and the resulting decision is therefore somewhat explained and justified.

Until the FA get going on divers there is absolutely no disadvantage to taking a fall in the modern game. Maybe a yellow card, but if you've endured there was contact by knocking feet together or grabbing each other, the chances are more likely, or at least equivalent, you'll get a penalty. Could have seen Dias sent off yesterday if he was interpreted as last man if stones wasn't covering.

All for a dive. That's how much it is distorting the game. Warn of post game bans for divers and the contact stops, or at least reduces. Liverpool without Salah and / or Mane for a few games and they'd soon stop.

 

[BlueHammer85]

Until the FA get going on divers there is absolutely no disadvantage to taking a fall in the modern game. Maybe a yellow card, but if you've endured there was contact by knocking feet together or grabbing each other, the chances are more likely, or at least equivalent, you'll get a penalty. Could have seen Dias sent off yesterday if he was interpreted as last man if stones wasn't covering.

All for a dive. That's how much it is distorting the game. Warn of post game bans for divers and the contact stops, or at least reduces. Liverpool without Salah and / or Mane for a few games and they'd soon stop.

been calling this for years, why can't they take serious action against players that blatantly dive - a yellow is not enough, any player will throw themselves in the box in the hope of winning a pen and if not, no action. it's so frustrating, 3 match ban would be my rule.

 

[oldius]

Contact has to be sufficient to bring someone down, surely.
I wonder if there is a place for a penalty to be given because there has been contact but also a card for simulation; yesterday's simulation by Salah would be a case in point and it is to do with the ethics and beauty of the game that, currently, are not being used by players, nor those running the game who are allowing the practice to continue by rewarding it.

 

[Trevor Morley's Tache]

agree. what is the solution ? do we scrap VAR so them same penalty's can continue to be given ? or do we live in hope that we get better refs who can see a replay of players diving like that and actually book them and not give a pen.

I would keep it, but only IF they use it to review incidents objectively, AND overturn referee's if they have made a mistake, because they need to do away with this pointless (and subjective) 'clear and obvious error'.

How many 'clear and obvious errors' (not counting offside) do you remember from before VAR that you didn't think were bent? I'd argue single figures over a 25 year period, but since the implementation of VAR, how many incorrect decisions have you seen that haven't been overturned because of the 'clear and obvious' bollocks? Were probably at double figures for the last 3 months.

I'd argue in it's current guise, VAR has made the game worse.

 

[Saddleworth2]

So after Salah starfished, we went up the other end and Raz crossed for Phil who was pushed in the back. Nobody mentioned it, not the commentators, or Sky pundits or Motd twits when it was shown. Referee didn't respond and neither was it VAR checked. Did I just imagine it?

 

[Saddleworth2]

I’ll happily see it scrapped now to be honest, the constant moaning and ‘it’s killing the game’ is tedious- just deep down I’d prefer some sort of system in place for a Ref to have a chance to see if he’s implemented the right decision and not been forced into making a split second choice.

what would you prefer -

A) Salah does a ridiculous dive with no contact - the refs angle and speed. It looks a penalty. He gives the penalty.

or

B) Salah does a ridiculous dive with no contact - the refs angle and speed. It looks a penalty. He gives the penalty. Had a quick look on monitor, realises he made the wrong choice and reverses the decision.

...

You know what I would prefer, a system like on RU where the refs are miked, you can hear every word between them and the video refs. Seems to work, is transparent and looks fair.

 

[Saddleworth2]

This is aimed at you because you are:
The biggest advocate and excuser
Not a Blue on a City Forum
Not a football fan

Angry is the right word for me.
I am a serious person in a serious high powered job with plenty of tragedy in my life.

I have been on this planet just short of 60 years. The only consistent thing in my life has been my love of football and particularly City. It is also my one area of life I can be stupid and let go. That is what football is. Emotion. Not maths. Not A computer game.

I was there May 13th 2012. All the years of hurt, injustices, battered hopes rolled up into that one match. That one instance. The release, the joy, the shared exaltation was immense. I wept, cried like a baby, fell to my knees. Along with 47000 others. That is football. That is what it is for. I should have felt some of that feeling yesterday each time we scored. But no. I waited for VAR to check.
So I will say to all of you on here, and any City fan, take away the magic of 93:20 by 'checking the goal on VAR and you are not a football fan.
It has not removed diving and Offsides are still dubious due to which frame is picked. And yes it is part of and re-enforced corrupt and inconsistent officiating. But,bi just want my goal celebrations back. I need that adrenalin in my life. Without it all I can do is turn on those who have ripped the heart of the game and as an enabler, you are guilty as charged.

Mate, serious comment. I like you had stopped celebrating but over the last season I am getting far better at identifying those goals that are clearcut and those where there might be something to review. Yesterday I was able to celebrate in the moment every one of our allowed goals. I still get the odd one wrong where I don't celebrate and it turns out to be a perfectly good goal but compared to how it was when first introduced, far better.

My view is that VAR is just a technology and process. The reason its unpopular is the way that process is run by either corrupt or incompetent officials. They will exist VAR or not. Until media start to consistently call it, football has a far bigger problem than VAR.

 

[BlueHammer85]

I would keep it, but only IF they use it to review incidents objectively, AND overturn referee's if they have made a mistake, because they need to do away with this pointless (and subjective) 'clear and obvious error'.

How many 'clear and obvious errors' (not counting offside) do you remember from before VAR that you didn't think were bent? I'd argue single figures over a 25 year period, but since the implementation of VAR, how many incorrect decisions have you seen that haven't been overturned because of the 'clear and obvious' bollocks? Were probably at double figures for the last 3 months.

I'd argue in it's current guise, VAR has made the game worse.

The fact you would keep it means you are an advocate for it and this makes you a c*nt apparently.

Agree with your reasoning.

They have changed the penalty handball scenario for the better and agree let's have it for the most obvious moments, like a Thierry Henry style handball goal - when Dean needs to look at the Souchek elbow 20 million times, then it's blatently not clear and obvious. Offsides they can find away to make allowances and not use controversial lines to determine it or not. I'm positive we'll always look at ways to improve the system to suit the game.

 

[SidJames]

I am still wondering why those VAR reviews, and lines, only seem to get used sporadically.

And they rarely get used. If ever at Klanfield.

There is zero consistency.

Feels so bent.

There were many on here that felt Dias "touching" Salah arm was a nailed on penalty.

I didn't.

There should have been a VAR review of what i felt in game, was a contentious penalty.

Are we now saying that any player contacting an opposition player with his arm in the Box is a nailed on penalty. if said player goes down as theatrically as Salah did, then a penalty should be given.

We see that kind of contact in every game, players using their arms to inhibit each others progress.

Be it linking of arms in the Box, embracing, or obstructing each other with an arm across the Chest.

I thought it was a ridiculous decision by the referee.

Laughable how they make it up as they go along.

You get to see a penalty awarded one week to Salah because his arm was barely touched causing him to lose function of all 4 limbs ,and grimace like he had been shot by Sniper.Before theatrically falling to the ground.

After ;last week seeing Jesus impeded from behind by a kick to the back of the Leg in the box resulting in no penalty.

VAR is culpable for the inconsistency, with them selectively deciding when there should be a VAR intervention. Which seems to be non existent depending on who is playing.

 

[Trevor Morley's Tache]

I am still wondering why those VAR reviews, and lines, only seem to get used sporadically.

And they rarely get used. If ever at Klanfield.

There is zero consistency.

Feels so bent.

There were many on here that felt Dias "touching" Salah arm was a nailed on penalty.

I didn't.

There should have been a VAR review of what i felt in game, was a contentious penalty.

Are we now saying that any player contacting an opposition player with his arm in the Box is a nailed on penalty. if said player goes down as theatrically as Salah did, then a penalty should be given.

We see that kind of contact in every game, players using their arms to inhibit each others progress.

Be it linking of arms in the Box, embracing, or obstructing each other with an arm across the Chest.

I thought it was a ridiculous decision by the referee.

Laughable how they make it up as they go along.

You get to see a penalty awarded one week to Salah because his arm was barely touched causing him to lose function of all 4 limbs ,and grimace like he had been shot by Sniper.Before theatrically falling to the ground.

After ;last week seeing Jesus impeded from behind by a kick to the back of the Leg in the box resulting in no penalty.

VAR is culpable for the inconsistency, with them selectively deciding when there should be a VAR intervention. Which seems to be non existent depending on who is playing.

It does, doesn't it?

The single, brief replay of the Stones offside didn't prove anything. It could have conceivably been offside, but we didn't see any lines or a clear view of the moment the ball was passed in conjunction with the lines on the screen to show the position of the last defender.

Now you would think that if they wanted to convince viewers that there was nothing shady going on, then it would be in their interest to show us ALL the evidence for EVERY marginal decision, but they don't, and that's telling.