VAR - 2020/21

[Gray]

It does, doesn't it?

The single, brief replay of the Stones offside didn't prove anything. It could have conceivably been offside, but we didn't see any lines or a clear view of the moment the ball was passed in conjunction with the lines on the screen to show the position of the last defender.

Now you would think that if they wanted to convince viewers that there was nothing shady going on, then it would be in their interest to show us ALL the evidence for EVERY marginal decision, but they don't, and that's telling.

He did look offside, but where was the VAR proof for the paying public to see?

 

[Pingu the Penguin]

I’ll happily see it scrapped now to be honest, the constant moaning and ‘it’s killing the game’ is tedious- just deep down I’d prefer some sort of system in place for a Ref to have a chance to see if he’s implemented the right decision and not been forced into making a split second choice.

what would you prefer -

A) Salah does a ridiculous dive with no contact - the refs angle and speed. It looks a penalty. He gives the penalty.

or

B) Salah does a ridiculous dive with no contact - the refs angle and speed. It looks a penalty. He gives the penalty. Had a quick look on monitor, realises he made the wrong choice and reverses the decision.

...

It’s is killing the game if over half the fans feel it is deployed very badly and 2/3rds think it lessens their enjoyment! Demonstrably so using the very source you return to frequently in this thread?

VAR could be fixed easily. Mike up refs and the VAR room and get rid of the stupidity of offside decisions which rely on tech that doesn’t work

 

[Pingu the Penguin]

Ok. one devils advocate question without you getting personal. As it’s a open forum to debate.

the 93:20 Aguero goal( Which was the best by the way)

what if the Lino flagged for offside ?
all the joy and exhilaration taken away because the lino thought Aguero was off when he was blatantly onside.

What then ? Shrug your shoulders and say that’s the name of the game. Oh well’

That’s a silly hypothetical, with respect

 

[Bluemoon dan]

I see the Soucek red card from the weekend has now been overturned. So once again, what is the point in VAR?

 

[BlueHammer85]

That’s a silly hypothetical, with respect

fair enough, but it happens and always will without VAR, refs and linos will incorrectly rule out perfectly good goals.





I watch that i think... well it could take a ref 30 seconds to go to a monitor and rule that out and book Henry.

I don't see why its so extreme to want that option.

however when a ref still watches a replay and doesn't get it right, then its anger all round and justifiably so.

 

[BlueHammer85]

I see the Soucek red card from the weekend has now been overturned. So once again, what is the point in VAR?

Mike Dean + Mason got it very wrong, they had VAR with clear replays and still got it wrong. that doesn't mean the system needs replacing, it means the officials do.

 

[Bluemoon dan]

Mike Dean + Mason got it very wrong, they had VAR with clear replays and still got it wrong. that doesn't mean the system needs replacing, it means the officials do.

Well indeed. But which is easier to do?

 

[hammocity]

I see the Soucek red card from the weekend has now been overturned. So once again, what is the point in VAR?

I think Mike Dean had a proper brain fart there. Correct decision to overturn. I have spoken to a couple of lower league Lino"s in the past 12 months, they both told me they are scrutinised to the hilt, every mistake, regardless how pedantic it is, is analysed and counts against their performance. As an example, a player in his own half takes a free kick with a rolling ball, it had no effect on play but if the Lino sees it and doesn't flag its a "mistake" chalked to him by the match referee assessor. Decent money for what they do though.

 

[mat]

Dean's family has got death threats and he's asked for the next week of matches off.

 

[BlueHammer85]

Well indeed. But which is easier to do?

the easier option would be to scrap VAR and let refs make blind guesses and incorrect calls on a much more frequent basis.

 

[GaudinoMotors]

the easier option would be to scrap VAR and let refs make blind guesses and incorrect calls on a much more frequent basis.

Nah let them carry on being completely unanswerable and backed up by an easily corruptable process.

 

[Hart of the Matter]

the easier option would be to scrap VAR and let refs make blind guesses and incorrect calls on a much more frequent basis.

Look. You have won. VAR will stay and will never be scrapped.

So I am the old man shouting at clouds.

What you fail to recognise is that those mistakes are part of the emotional tapestry of the game for over a century. Those dubious decisions fueled us and we could properly celebrate in the instance. And VAR is not reducing the dubious calls as you describe.

The game has gone. It has become sterile and scientific instead of art. You are welcome to your new world but don't try and convince us it is better. It is not. And if you choose to piss on my chips, expect a reaction.

 

[Corky]

Contact has to be sufficient to bring someone down, surely.
I wonder if there is a place for a penalty to be given because there has been contact but also a card for simulation; yesterday's simulation by Salah would be a case in point and it is to do with the ethics and beauty of the game that, currently, are not being used by players, nor those running the game who are allowing the practice to continue by rewarding it.

Contact isn't required for a penal foul. Obviously if you grab an opponent there is contact needed, but there has never been any requirement that a player is 'brought down'. Grabbing can stop or block someone and the found should be given, as it is impeding and you don't grab someone by accident.

It was piss poor all round by the defender who made the mistake then a foul. There is no 'soft' in the laws, it either is a foul or it isn't.

 

[mike1923]

Mike Dean + Mason got it very wrong, they had VAR with clear replays and still got it wrong. that doesn't mean the system needs replacing, it means the officials do.

2 reds in 2 games that they managed to get wrong even with the use of video replays. Dean needs demoting

 

[Manc Born & Bred]

I wonder how feasible it would be to have some ex players (those that have retired in the past five years) with the VAR refs looking at incidents.

 

[richardtheref]

The new weekly quote on MOTD. "It's been a bad day for VAR".

 

[greasedupdeafguy]

Look. You have won. VAR will stay and will never be scrapped.

So I am the old man shouting at clouds.

What you fail to recognise is that those mistakes are part of the emotional tapestry of the game for over a century. Those dubious decisions fueled us and we could properly celebrate in the instance. And VAR is not reducing the dubious calls as you describe.

The game has gone. It has become sterile and scientific instead of art. You are welcome to your new world but don't try and convince us it is better. It is not. And if you choose to piss on my chips, expect a reaction.

I was extremely anti VAR but I’m probably now in the category of really hating it but not having an alternative.

Thought this was a good article in the guardian,

Redirect Notice

www.google.co.uk

 

[BlueHammer85]

And VAR is not reducing the dubious calls as you describe.

In 2018/19, before VAR was introduced, the percentage of correct key match decisions was 82 per cent. With the help of VAR in 2019/20, it rose to 94 per cent.

Over the course of 2019/20, over 2,400 incidents were checked and 109 decisions were overturned by the VAR, an average of an overturned decision every 3.5 matches.

can't find similar results for last season.

anyway, these stats don't make me an advocate for VAR, they are just the facts.

No one can argue you're personal emotional feeling towards it - me, i have some hope it will always improve but it will be a long process and i don't think we will ever rid of controversial decsions, but key black & white decisions, that is what refs with the help of VAR can get right and must do.

 

[Nellies left peg]

In 2018/19, before VAR was introduced, the percentage of correct key match decisions was 82 per cent. With the help of VAR in 2019/20, it rose to 94 per cent.

Over the course of 2019/20, over 2,400 incidents were checked and 109 decisions were overturned by the VAR, an average of an overturned decision every 3.5 matches.

can't find similar results for last season.

anyway, these stats don't make me an advocate for VAR, they are just the facts.

No one can argue you're personal emotional feeling towards it - me, i have some hope it will always improve but it will be a long process and i don't think we will ever rid of controversial decsions, but key black & white decisions, that is what refs with the help of VAR can get right and must do.

Its not the decisions overturned that is worrying me. It's the ones not even looked at for certain teams. Did Salahs dive go to VAR yesterday because it didn't appear to. Although the West Ham sending off was a shocker that was looked at and fucked up

 

[BlueHammer85]

Its not the decisions overturned that is worrying me. It's the ones not even looked at for certain teams. Did Salahs dive go to VAR yesterday because it didn't appear to. Although the West Ham sending off was a shocker that was looked at and fucked up

with or without VAR the standard of refereeing is a big worry - if they can't get it right watching it a million times on a monitor then what hope have we got