Good point, the way this condescending twerp is simply shrugging it all off, and saying we'll get used toWell I am not about to enter into a re-education programme run by that idiot and unless VAR is improved both in terms of its technical competence and perhaps more importantly its application and use I for one will no longer be a fan.
We are the paying customers and we have been treated with contempt. Swarbrick and his cronies are being paid handsomely to run the VAR system but have no accountability. No one in the media has challenged the false claims he has been making all week about who made the decisions last weekend (ie not the referee) and why his team did not follow the IFAB rules. Former referees like Keith Hackett and Mark Halsey have made scathing attacks on what happened at the Spurs game. Swarbrick must think matchgoing fans are stupid.Well I am not about to enter into a re-education programme run by that idiot and unless VAR is improved both in terms of its technical competence and perhaps more importantly its application and use I for one will no longer be a fan.
Honestly since this is the law now and as long as they apply it the same way going forward for other teams, I'm more annoyed about the penalties we didn't get:
Hoddle spotted something I didn't(worrying) in that there were actually two fouls VAR could have seen when Rodri was brought down, look at Rose and Aguero:
Here's the foul just before the corner comes in on Laporte, Skipp grabbed his arm and a bit of the sleeve of his shirt... Does anyone know the rule if someone is fouled before the ball is played, is that still a penalty? I'm pretty sure it still is.
They claim that in other countries where VAR has been introduced, fans have been similarly hostile to it, but eventually came round. I don’t know how true that is.Good point, the way this condescending twerp is simply shrugging it all off, and saying we'll get used to
it eventually is infuriating to say the least. I for one won't, and I know very few who will, football, unlike cricket,
is free flowing, it does not in any way lend itself to this.
It’s being forced on football fans around Europe , the Germans are usually organised & wont take shit lying down, i’m Amazed they haven’t got rid of it over there , perhaps someone will tell us ...what has the reaction to this shit been abroad ?They claim that in other countries where VAR has been introduced, fans have been similarly hostile to it, but eventually came round. I don’t know how true that is.
Twatty bollox rooney got sent off last night for elbowing someone in the DC verses NY game. VAR spotted it and rightly so granny shagger had to walk.
This is different , we’re talking about a huge change to the game , the actual enjoyment of the game for fans of every club is in danger here .In my experience if City get screwed, support for City always intensifies.
We are the paying customers and we have been treated with contempt. Swarbrick and his cronies are being paid handsomely to run the VAR system but have no accountability. No one in the media has challenged the false claims he has been making all week about who made the decisions last weekend (ie not the referee) and why his team did not follow the IFAB rules. Former referees like Keith Hackett and Mark Halsey have made scathing attacks on what happened at the Spurs game. Swarbrick must think matchgoing fans are stupid.
You are very naive markFinally! Nail on head Sir.
What can I say, my wit and humour are wasted on BM...Extremely solid comment - does not seem to be "liked" enough IMO.
You are very naive mark
All well and good for offsides, personally I think they need to improve the technology as they go along, sure it's an improvement if they are getting more of them right but that doesn't mean we just accept that some calls will be wrong and leave it at that.Is it being suggested that a player should only be ruled offside if VAR shows him to be more than 20cm or 7.5 inches offside?
Imagine we’re playing united and they have a corner. The ball richochets about in the box before landing at the feet of Phil Jones, standing like a statue a couple of yards out. He turns it into the net, the Lino raises their flag, but VAR indicates that he was only 7 inches offside so the “goal” is awarded. Imagine our reaction.
I think there probably does need to be a tolerance in VAR offsides but no more than 4 or 5 cms. If we can’t live with that we should scrap VAR and leave it to the linos. After all this analysis has proved that for decades they’ve being getting dogs abuse over offside decisions when they might have been right all along!
But if we did scrap VAR would we be more accepting of decisions? Now that we know that the the officials are probably better than we’ve given them credit for, would we be more accepting of offside decisions if the cameras show the Lino was wrong by 4 or 5 inches ? Somehow I doubt it. For me the question really should be will VAR get significantly more decisions right than wrong? There needs to be a very clear advantage from using VAR otherwise its not worth the delays it causes. But if VAR is significantly better then human beings then we should just accept that it’s not going to be 100% accurate.
I hope you are right. This situation where English officials have created their own absurd version of the mostly sensible IFAB rules on handball can't be sustainable. Swarbrick told a pack of lies this week which unravelled within 24 hours but has still not been challenged on it. Why should he not be required to release the tape of the conversations between Oliver and the VAR team to back up his false claims about what happened on Saturday? There is just no transparency is there? I have never believed as some do that the whole game is corrupt (though there have obviously been dishonest decisons involving certain individuals) but when the Head of VAR behaves like he has done this week then trust breaks down on the whole structure.It’s not true they are accountable to no one. The Premier League through its 20 clubs is who they are accountable to, because it they are seeing to be fucking up the product, putting the cash cow at risk, there’ll be intervention taking place with the Referees, no doubt about it.
I hope you are right. This situation where English officials have created their own absurd version of the mostly sensible IFAB rules on handball can't be sustainable. Swarbrick told a pack of lies this week which unravelled within 24 hours but has still not been challenged on it. Why should he not be required to release the tape of the conversations between Oliver and the VAR team to back up his false claims about what happened on Saturday? There is just no transparency is there? I have never believed as some do that the whole game is corrupt (though there have obviously been dishonest decisons involving certain individuals) but when the Head of VAR behaves like he has done this week then trust breaks down on the whole structure.
They clearly got it wrong in our games,the handball law makes zero sense to anyone,being told rodders dived so they didn't have to overule Oliver is no way to get fans on side,they don't have to scrap it but be open to adjusting it along the way and admitting if parts of it do not work in a live game,being told to stfu you just don't understand it,not you swarbrick,is out of order,he was a terible ref,he has the cheek to say we don't understand it!Just have a difference of opinion Karen.
Already mentioned the negatives of VAR and have been more than balanced. For me it’s a case of really trying to make it work - however long it takes , rather than scraping it for the ‘old system’ where we have Refs and officials who make blind decisions.
Absolutely not,if they gave it to one manager they would have to give it to everyone,they don't want us to hear it,their excuse for not letting us hear it is there is too much swearing,the players would soon learn to tone it down and accept when the ref indicated aVAR review and there is no point swearing at the refI know where you’re coming from bud. My feeling is that if Pep/the club asked to obtain said recording, they would be handed over.