VAR Discussion Thread - 2023/24 | PL clubs to vote on whether to scrap VAR (pg413)

[kaz7]

It's just very easy to chuck out the corrupt' line with no real basis.
of course there's a few examples of corruption with organisations as big as football throughout the decades, dodgy envelopes here and there but to just say PL results are being manipulated by betting firms with no real basis of proof is worthy to be questioned no ?
who exactly are manipulating the results ? why ? how? how's there not been one whistle-blower in the last 20 years of this ?
my twitter timeline after your Brighton match was a tsunami of comments saying FA/PGMOL are ensuring Man city win the title again, i assume you disagree with those comments?

Mark halsey said on talksport he was told to change match reports , ratboy said this is a scandal , the papers and pigmol shut it down , they dont want the prem to come tumbling down , way too much money and power involved , it only takes pigmol and the prem to be involved not thousands of people

 

[Trevor Morley's Tache]

Mark halsey said on talksport he was told to change match reports , ratboy said this is a scandal , the papers and pigmol shut it down , they dont want the prem to come tumbling down , way too much money and power involved , it only takes pigmol and the prem to be involved not thousands of people

Saved me the job.

The words 'too big to fail' have never been more pertinent.

 

[BlueHammer85]

Mark halsey said on talksport he was told to change match reports , ratboy said this is a scandal , the papers and pigmol shut it down , they dont want the prem to come tumbling down , way too much money and power involved , it only takes pigmol and the prem to be involved not thousands of people

I don't think this is proof the PL are currently manipulating results for betting companies.

 

[Stephen230]

Mark halsey said on talksport he was told to change match reports , ratboy said this is a scandal , the papers and pigmol shut it down , they dont want the prem to come tumbling down , way too much money and power involved , it only takes pigmol and the prem to be involved not thousands of people

Nothing would come tumbling down on the back of what Halsey said.

He claimed that he was asked to change a match report because the FA thought an incident warranted retrospective action and under the rules at the time, they couldn’t proceed with that if the referee had claimed in his report that he’d clearly seen it at the time. They didn’t think he could have seen it properly if he didn’t deem it a red card, so asked him to consider re-wording it.

Now, that clearly isn’t right. If he’s said he’s seen it, they should accept his word and not put pressure on him. It’s impossible to have an opinion on the incident itself because he didn’t specify which one it was.

But while it certainly doesn’t reflect well on the FA, assuming it’s true, it’s a world away from brown envelopes, cheating and manipulating results, as being discussed.

 

[kaz7]

I don't think this is proof the PL are currently manipulating results for betting companies.

You said there hasnt been a whistleblower , there was and he was swiftly shut down

 

[kaz7]

Nothing would come tumbling down on the back of what Halsey said.

He claimed that he was asked to change a match report because the FA thought an incident warranted retrospective action and under the rules at the time, they couldn’t proceed with that if the referee had claimed in his report that he’d clearly seen it at the time. They didn’t think he could have seen it properly if he didn’t deem it a red card, so asked him to consider re-wording it.

Now, that clearly isn’t right. If he’s said he’s seen it, they should accept his word and not put pressure on him. It’s impossible to have an opinion on the incident itself because he didn’t specify which one it was.

But while it certainly doesn’t reflect well on the FA, assuming it’s true, it’s a world away from brown envelopes, cheating and manipulating results, as being discussed.

Mariner changed his report so that they could ban sergio for the derby , you want clear and obvious ...

it is niave to think a big business like english football that there is zero corruption

Also reported dippers and rags vetted masters for the top job but nobody else got to do the same

 

[Trevor Morley's Tache]

Nothing would come tumbling down on the back of what Halsey said.

He claimed that he was asked to change a match report because the FA thought an incident warranted retrospective action and under the rules at the time, they couldn’t proceed with that if the referee had claimed in his report that he’d clearly seen it at the time. They didn’t think he could have seen it properly if he didn’t deem it a red card, so asked him to consider re-wording it.

Now, that clearly isn’t right. If he’s said he’s seen it, they should accept his word and not put pressure on him. It’s impossible to have an opinion on the incident itself because he didn’t specify which one it was.

But while it certainly doesn’t reflect well on the FA, assuming it’s true, it’s a world away from brown envelopes, cheating and manipulating results, as being discussed.

What about Clattenberg incorrectly sending Bellamy off for diving when he admitted he knew it wasn't a dive?

 

[BlueHammer85]

You said there hasnt been a whistleblower , there was and he was swiftly shut down

Do you believe the FA/PIGMOL are currently manipulating results for betting companies ?

 

[Stephen230]

Mariner changed his report so that they could ban sergio for the derby , you want clear and obvious ...

it is niave to think a big business like english football that there is zero corruption

Also reported dippers and rags vetted masters for the top job but nobody else got to do the same

I don’t think anybody has claimed that they’re convinced there has never been any corruption in football. I certainly haven’t.

I’ve just seen no evidence of it highlighted here.

 

[bluenova]

What about Clattenberg incorrectly sending Bellamy off for diving when he admitted he knew it wasn't a dive?

Clattenburg said he booked him by mistake, and only knew he'd made a mistake when he watched it back after.

The controversial admission was that he was pissed off with Bellamy, having booked him for abusive language in the first half, which you could argue may have clouded his judgement. Still, given that Bellamy was clearly a prick on the field, is it any surprise that refs didn't give him the benefit of the doubt?

Clattenburg also says he did apologise to him for making the mistake, and that Bellamy's response was to "grab his balls" apparently in jest.