VAR Discussion Thread - 2023/24 | PL clubs to vote on whether to scrap VAR (pg413)

[khoitnm]

Will removing VAR help to improve the correct decisions from refs?

 

[vmsuhail]

Does anyone think the referees are going to make the right call every time Nunez is offside ?

 

[Stephen230]

ESPN have produced a league table of VAR overturns in the last five years.

Just for clarity, these are factual numbers of when VAR has overturned an onfield decision. They make no reference to whether the decisions were ‘correct’

 

[bluemoon32]

The game is too fast nowadays for just one referee, they need help from somewhere, whether that's from Var or extra official's i don't know

 

[bluetonium]

As much as I hate var for the way it has killed some of the excitement and spontaneity of football, I'm not sure getting rid is the answer.

The technology could be better, it's true. We need to be able to pinpoint exact frames where the ball leaves one players possession, to correctly call offsides. Knowing what we know now, I'd have wanted clearer, faster and more robust system before it was implemented.

But more than that, it is how var is used. The whole process needs more clarity, the users need more training, and the process should be clear to all at every stage, not just commentators and pundits.

I dislike var with a passion. There are city goals I've not celebrated for a minute or two afterward because you wonder if it's offside. There are players who have done the same. But I'm not sure removing it will decrease the problem. We now have a situation where officials are deemed to be quite poor at decision making, and there would inevitably be a period just after it was scrapped when referring mistakes were magnified. Wed be speeding up games but mistakes would still be made, quite likely even more than now.

I hope this is the catalyst for change, but I'd hope that change would be faster decisions, better communication, transparency of the process and probably a review of existing laws such as handball, penalties when the attacker initiated contact and bloody goalkeeper time wasting.

 

[domalino]

The offside was so much better when managed by Linos,

You have a shockingly bad memory if you genuinely think that.

 

[domalino]

Great example of how backwards and resistant we are as a country when it comes to change, we were slow to adopt var, didn't go with the semi-automated stuff, we were even the last league to hold out against and reject the obviously beneficial idea of allowing 5 subs until other leagues made it abundantly clear how stupid we were. Why would you give up on var now simply because the people operating it are poorly trained and incompetent? Do they not realise the only alternative is to have those exact same incompetent officials have to do the job without the aide of technology to point out how bad they are and give them opportunity to rectify errors?

Moronic from wolves to propose this, I'd naturally dismiss this as having no chance of passing but I honestly wouldn't be surprised at this point to see us go back to the dark ages and spend thr next few years lamenting no var as refs spoil games with poor decisions on a weekly basis whilst the rest of Europe sees var develop and become better.

The first thing that needs to happen to fix VAR and officiating is for fans and the public to accept and understand that the referees are not incompetent corrupt morons.

As soon as you accept that the referees are not idiots personally out to get your team, then you have to actually look at why these normal people who are selected through 10+ years of training for being the best at refereeing at every level up the pyramid keep making mistakes.

If you have normal people making abnormal mistakes it’s because they’re being asked to do something impossible.

The rules are over complicated and poorly written, they’ve been added to over 50+ years bit by bit just bolting on extra conditions and sub clauses as-hoc which is making the referees try to juggle too many things at once which is why mistakes get made.

IFAB needs to streamline the rules, rewrite them with possible VAR and video replay in mind, and then create decision making frameworks so every incident boils down to a simple flow chart of yes/no decisions. Which is how other sports do it.

https://passport.world.rugby/media/52mgo1zn/high-tackle-v2-en.png

If I’m watching a rugby match I can look up the decision making flowchart for any incident and follow it to get the same decision as the referee. When a potentially bad tackle goes in, I already know what questions are being asked, what the answers are and 99 times out of 100 the viewer, the commentators and the players know the answer before the card comes out.

 

[waspish]

Be interesting how the vote will go apparently Liverpool want to keep it! Bet city vote to keep it

 

[eversince 76]

I vote to get rid, based on the previous years. But if it’s gonna be used in a better more transparant way, I might warm to the idea to keep VAR.

The main goal is there: Improve decisions that are clearly not right. Either it be leading to goal or not. I think we all want that.

VAR is working great at rugby or hockey. Why not football. It should be possible.

 

[city saint]

dont micro manage games.semi automated offside and teams get 2 challenges that you lose when you challenge incorrectly.works well in aussie rugby league