VAR Discussion Thread - 2023/24 | PL clubs to vote on whether to scrap VAR (pg413)

[RiversideBlue]

Talksport and GB news

So that's bollocks then

 

[Saddleworth2]

as the standard of refereeing and the secrecy and unacounbtability of the PGMOL isn't acceptable.

Thats the crux of this and that is what has to change. If PGMOL are unwilling or unable to implement a standard, transparent process to each and every ground then they should be disbanded and get someone that can to do it. Maybe Rugby Union would run the process and referees.
In this most recent case, the difference between a well run process and a shambles is 100% apparent. Seemingly the VAR team missed the fact that a goal hadn't been awarded by the referee and 'check over' sealed the deal. In RU, if you listen to the dialogue between the referee and the video referee the phrases used are pre agreed, many of them taken straight from the lotg and always ended with a final 'so is there any reason for me not to award this try'. No nicknames, no panicked talking over each other, no lack of clarity or risk of confusion, just calm deliberation using the technology to reach a correct decision - all 100% transparent and audible. VAR as its is implemented in PL football is not fit for purpose. Those that have implemented it should be held accountable and binned and PGMOL disbanded.

I'm glad Liverpool are taking this stance despite the massive hypocrisy. Time someone bloody well did.

 

[marco]

So that's bollocks then

no idea,just saying whats being said,give them a call and tell them

 

[threespires]

Thats the crux of this and that is what has to change. If PGMOL are unwilling or unable to implement a standard, transparent process to each and every ground then they should be disbanded and get someone that can to do it. Maybe Rugby Union would run the process and referees.
In this most recent case, the difference between a well run process and a shambles is 100% apparent. Seemingly the VAR team missed the fact that a goal hadn't been awarded by the referee and 'check over' sealed the deal. In RU, if you listen to the dialogue between the referee and the video referee the phrases used are pre agreed, many of them taken straight from the lotg and always ended with a final 'so is there any reason for me not to award this try'. No nicknames, no panicked talking over each other, no lack of clarity or risk of confusion, just calm deliberation using the technology to reach a correct decision - all 100% transparent and audible. VAR as its is implemented in PL football is not fit for purpose. Those that have implemented it should be held accountable and binned and PGMOL disbanded.

I'm glad Liverpool are taking this stance despite the massive hypocrisy. Time someone bloody well did.

Football probably sneers at both codes of rugby as significantly smaller sports but the contrast between their effective use of technology and the shitshow football fans have to put up with is stark.

 

[RiversideBlue]

no idea,just saying whats being said,give them a call and tell them

I think they already know

 

[Kippax77]

With all due respect I believe you are conflating two different issues. Liverpools clear hypocrisy with the need
for a complete overall of VAR and probably the way the PL is refereed.

The fact that it is one of the history clubs complaining is even better, it means the powers that be are less likely to ignore their complaints.

I hope other clubs including City now speak up , as the standard of refereeing and the secrecy and unacounbtability of the PGMOL isn't acceptable.

I was thinking along these lines this morning.
I had a strong feeling that we would be shafted at Arsenal next week but the more the Dippers riot then the more the Premier league officials will have to be on their best behaviour in the coming weeks

 

[halfcenturyup]

Talksport and GB news

:) If it's replayed I will eat my hat. Hell, I will eat your hat too.

 

[Paladin]

The fact Darren England was in the UAE days earlier getting paid to ref a match in the UAE is highly inappropriate. The optics are shocking. Why is the UAE flying in English refs who officiate in the PL, rather than having locals officiate?

I agree with this. Our referees and assistants are paid a very good salary by PGMOL, and this is their full time job. There should be no opportunity for them to be moonlighting in Saudi Arabia or any other country. UEFA and FIFA appointments would of course be acceptable, but also built in to their contracts.

If they want to referee in Saudi, fair enough. Resign from PGMOL, and they are then free to ply their trade wherever they like.

 

[PeterBarnesShorts]

What about stopping the game when City were attacking for a wolves player going down with cramp, in the pathetic 6 minutes of added on time, even the commentator said that there was going to be a load of time added on although only seems that that applies to Arsenal, they regularly get 10 minutes added on.

I would put money on City never getting the 10 mins added on,if they are losing!Hopefully,there won’t be too many occasions to put that theory to the test.

 

[mancboy]

I would put money on City never getting the 10 mins added on,if they are losing!Hopefully,there won’t be too many occasions to put that theory to the test.

pawson decided quite early on that he was not even going to try refereeing within the laws of the game

 

[halfcenturyup]

I was thinking along these lines this morning.
I had a strong feeling that we would be shafted at Arsenal next week but the more the Dippers riot then the more the Premier league officials will have to be on their best behaviour in the coming weeks

Naah. Fuck them. PGMOL should just let them consider their options and then find out they don't have any. Arrogant fucking bastards. Who do they think they are? It was a mistake, get over it. Tossers.

It's more likely they know nothing will come of it so it's just more ammunition to justify an ESL to their moronic fans, along with our inevitable clearance by the panel on the alleged charges.

 

[mosssideblue]

Just musing. What would PGMOL do if half a dozen top PL clubs said were not playing until VAR is proven fit for purpose

 

[hcblue95]

This is being spun by the media into a wrong offside call and two wrong red cards all against liverpool when in fact it's just one mistake on the offside. How many mistakes are made every game.

 

[Trevor Morley's Tache]

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

What about stopping the game when City were attacking for a wolves player going down with cramp, in the pathetic 6 minutes of added on time, even the commentator said that there was going to be a load of time added on although only seems that that applies to Arsenal, they regularly get 10 minutes added on.

Timekeeping should be removed as a responsibility of the on field official. And the clock stopped and made public when done so to make it open and above board.

 

[yatesy94.]

It's funny how they get on their moral high horse the Scousers but when incidents like Rashford obvious offside last year, Grealish "handball" in FA Cup final and the countless times we've been robbed of decisions at Anfield and they laugh it off there's never any calls of corruption there is there. Excuse me if I'll spare the sympathy for them on this occasion.

 

[yatesy94.]

I'll tell you what. If these cunts get this replayed I want the Spurs CL Quarter Final replayed.

Don't forget when Aguero's goal wasn't given v Arsenal in FA Cup semi final Sane's cross was judged to be out of play when it was in. Are we going to get that fixture replayed also? Could name a dozen other incidents we've been robbed why do L'pool fans think this is unique to them? Cry me a river....

 

[mancboy]

It's funny how they get on their moral high horse the Scousers but when incidents like Rashford obvious offside last year, Grealish "handball" in FA Cup final and the countless times we've been robbed of decisions at Anfield and they laugh it off there's never any calls of corruption there is there. Excuse me if I'll spare the sympathy for them on this occasion.

Its like an ongoing joke that you dont get those decisions at the swamp or klanfield and its basically just cheating that is laughed off by PGMOL, but now one of the history clubs is on the wrong end of it , now it matters, fuck them lot and fuck pgmol just because hooper didnt get the usual memo, now everyone is up in arms

 

[Gazza]

This is being spun by the media into a wrong offside call and two wrong red cards all against liverpool when in fact it's just one mistake on the offside. How many mistakes are made every game.

Correct, the Jones sending off wasn't harsh - he rolled over the ball and nearly bent the player's ankle backwards. The other sending off was also deserved if only for the stupidity of trying to make a tackle that had virtually no chance of coming off and just after being booked.

 

[mosssideblue]

Its like an ongoing joke that you dont get those decisions at the swamp or klanfield and its basically just cheating that is laughed off by PGMOL, but now one of the history clubs is on the wrong end of it , now it matters, fuck them lot and fuck pgmol just because hooper didnt get the usual memo, now everyone is up in arms

Mate. VAR is fucked and if no one kicks off about it, it will remain so. Hopefully, something may now come about because one of the darling clubs has kicked off. Hopefully, some traction may occur if others do similar