VAR Discussion Thread - 2023/24 | PL clubs to vote on whether to scrap VAR (pg413)

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Have seen a LOT of mentions all over of the Rodri "handball" apology recently - despite the angle not actually being clear, and the fact that if they'd decided it was a penalty, they would probably have checked the offside for Richarlison, and so ruled no penalty, I was curious about something else...

Pep made a comment saying they'd given offside, and he seemed to have suggested this was the Richarlison offside. However it's not. The ball went out for a throw and the offside came from the subsequent play.

What struck me, given last week's incident, is should VAR even have been allowed to consider the potential handball. If the ball goes dead after an incident, then VAR is supposed to ask to pause the game. Once the game has restarted, VAR isn't supposed to have the power to conduct a review - as we've found out just this week.

I realise this has now changed, but it looks like they did exactly what they said couldn't be done in Liverpool's case.
 
BlueHammer85 said:
''This is the 6th occasion this season the PGMOL have apologised for penalties The Potters should have received only 10 games into the season
The refereeing standard in the EFL continues to decline with debatable decisions being made on a weekly basis, maybe it’s time for VAR? ''

You never read this bit.

You assumed the apology was for bad decisions with VAR.
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Were the referees involved in these decisions ones that are used to having the crutch of VAR in their normal premier league jobs?
 
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This is great to see; fans having their say and, unsurprisingly, fucking it off. They’d shit ten thousand bricks if it went to a fan vote here. Because it would be rightly fucked off. Chapeau to the Swedes:
www.theguardian.com

Protest and resist: fans in Scandinavia lead backlash against VAR

Supporters of clubs in Norway have demonstrated against the use of a video assistant referee, while Sweden continues to hold out against introduction
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
 
it is very strange this Olivar was a referee in UEA so he must be on the take for City.
Why does so many think that business people from the Arab world is stupid ?
 
Cityfan1977 said:
it is very strange this Olivar was a referee in UEA so he must be on the take for City.
Why does so many think that business people from the Arab world is stupid ?
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It's a projection from yanks.

I get the impression, (I maybe wrong) that the Arabic nations are planning ahead for hundreds of years (Saudi The line project) whilst the western business model is a short term capitalist vulture model.
 
They need a better host than Mr Personality on this VAR show.

My one quibble was the conversation in the Chelsea game. When the ref is looking for the Chelsea player to send off. Someone in VAR says "He's got the TV signal. Just put his hands on his hips."

Maybe I'm just reading too much into it.

I'm surprised it didn't mention Kova. Maybe Webb didn't want to make two apologies in one show?
 
TinFoilHat said:
They need a better host than Mr Personality on this VAR show.

My one quibble was the conversation in the Chelsea game. When the ref is looking for the Chelsea player to send off. Someone in VAR says "He's got the TV signal. Just put his hands on his hips."

Maybe I'm just reading too much into it.

I'm surprised it didn't mention Kova. Maybe Webb didn't want to make two apologies in one show?
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He has already made the point than in his opinion Kovo was lucky to stay on the pitch, something which hundreds of us agreed on also during and after the game.
By all accounts (according to some Blue Mooners on here) Oliver hates us ... well aren`t we just lucky he doesn`t despise us as I dread to think what outcome he may have given.
 
So Webb says kovacic was lucky to remain on the pitch ( which the majority of us would agree with) but he fortunately for him did stay on the pitch,what’s the odds on them looking to level it up and some sort of incident going against us in the next couple of games..
 
I don't remember this sort of outcry when Nketiah should of been off v spurs. Arsenal playing the victim but its easy to make out you are hard done to when your favorable decisions don't get highlighted.

City had the same situation v Wolves last week, no outcry no highlighting of the decision, wasn't even on ref watch. So people forget and move on.
On Sunday Kova should of been off. What is ignored is, for the rest of the game the ref was heavily in favor of Arsenal. The goal they scored doesn't happen for us, as the ref was giving arsenal those fouls that we didn't get in the build up to the goal.

Now I have seen bitter fans bringing up how many apologies teams have received in games against us and we have received 0 apologies. Well if we aren't getting an apology v the rags last season then we never will and its irrelevant to compare.
The Rodri one is also brought out every time we get a decision, a week or so later Liverpool played Everton that season. They got away with penalties and red cards in that game against everton. Yet because sky didnt cry about it and it wasnt heavily brought up in the media people forget. The narrative is that we should of drew vs Everton and Liverpool deserved a gritty win.
 
I will go and watch it again later. I thought Kovacic didn't follow through on the first yellow, yes he caught him high but without the damaging follow through so a yellow for me. The second potential yellow I thought he clipped the heel of Rice and Rice overreacted. I think Oliver saw this and thats why he didn't book Kovacic. Will find time to look again to confirm my opinion or look foolish for not looking before, wouldn't be the first time;-)
 
It will take something extraordinary for Pep to complain about VAR again, his five Premier League titles and numerous domestic cups received the stamp of approval following the CL win, this means his job at a domestic level is complete. i think he will go all in to retain the CL, the FIFA club cup would be a nice little bauble but that is down the list. Pep also knows the players are knackered and it’s pointless running them into the ground to just fall short in all competitions. Moaning about decisions is a complete waste of energy, Pep has worked to take the referee out of the game and succeeded.
 
BM96 said:
The Rodri one is also brought out every time we get a decision, a week or so later Liverpool played Everton that season. They got away with penalties and red cards in that game against everton. Yet because sky didnt cry about it and it wasnt heavily brought up in the media people forget. The narrative is that we should of drew vs Everton and Liverpool deserved a gritty win.
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The Rodri one is only brought up by dippers who think they would have won the league that season if we'd dropped points in that game. Of course they don't think they got away with anything when they played Everton
 
Having read some of the shite that's been doing the rounds in both the MSM and on social media I really think some people need to be careful what they wish for with regard to VAR.
There seems to be a belief that there is some sort of infallible all encompassing algorithm out there that can be plugged in and 'hey presto' it delivers an amazing consistent error proof decision for every possible situation that occurs during a football match. Football is all about human beings, it's played, watched, administered and managed by actual people with different perspectives, opinions and attitudes who all see different incidents in different ways and who may well actually see the same sort of incident differently depending on the circumstances of the occasion.
If this VAR debate has taught us anything it's that it's already too intrusive and if some people have their way it will continue to dominate the game in a hugely negative way. I said pre VAR that football should be played on the pitch, players play, referees referee, fans scream abuse, what happens on the pitch stays there and (unless there's a Cantona/Keane/Thatcher type incident) it ends with the full time whistle. I believe that even more now. VAR has undermined referees, made them less competent not more, unless there's a system, as in goal line technology, that does not rely on human interpretation (maybe automated offsides) then fuck VAR off, fuck the entirely pointless Ref Watch off and return the decision making to the officials.
Edit: Howard Webb and Michael Owen have just come on my telly .... fuck them two off as well.
 
Bozzie said:
Having read some of the shite that's been doing the rounds in both the MSM and on social media I really think some people need to be careful what they wish for with regard to VAR.
There seems to be a belief that there is some sort of infallible all encompassing algorithm out there that can be plugged in and 'hey presto' it delivers an amazing consistent error proof decision for every possible situation that occurs during a football match. Football is all about human beings, it's played, watched, administered and managed by actual people with different perspectives, opinions and attitudes who all see different incidents in different ways and who may well actually see the same sort of incident differently depending on the circumstances of the occasion.
If this VAR debate has taught us anything it's that it's already too intrusive and if some people have their way it will continue to dominate the game in a hugely negative way. I said pre VAR that football should be played on the pitch, players play, referees referee, fans scream abuse, what happens on the pitch stays there and (unless there's a Cantona/Keane/Thatcher type incident) it ends with the full time whistle. I believe that even more now. VAR has undermined referees, made them less competent not more, unless there's a system, as in goal line technology, that does not rely on human interpretation (maybe automated offsides) then fuck VAR off, fuck the entirely pointless Ref Watch off and return the decision making to the officials.
Edit: Howard Webb and Michael Owen have just come on my telly .... fuck them two off as well.
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Pure waste of production time with Micheal Owen playing the non-enquiring stooge to the lying **** head of PiGMOL

Like so much of the Sky shite provided for the benefit of the redshirt lemmings / braindeads .
 
I cannot for the life of me understand how Sly Sports is still a going concern. 30-odd years of rag-pandering, bordering on hero worship. Three decades of kow-towing to that one single football club, sneery and childish digs at most other Prem clubs (except for the dippers), a seemingly endless supply of ex-rags being invited as pundits for each and every rag game.
As far as I'm concerned every subscription to that awful broadcasting company is just another way of supporting the verminous bastards.
 
KentBlue said:
I cannot for the life of me understand how Sly Sports is still a going concern. 30-odd years of rag-pandering, bordering on hero worship. Three decades of kow-towing to that one single football club, sneery and childish digs at most other Prem clubs (except for the dippers), a seemingly endless supply of ex-rags being invited as pundits for each and every rag game.
As far as I'm concerned every subscription to that awful broadcasting company is just another way of supporting the verminous bastards.
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They have probably caught on but too late,thousands cancelling subscriptions partly due to what you mentioned in your post and people cutting their cloth accordingly due to prices of packages,I got a flyer from them offering sky sports for £15 a month decent enough deal but I don’t want to constantly have rag articles rammed down my throat followed up by red scousers and even Arsenal there is 20 teams in the league not just a main 1 or 2 ..
 
Another VAR generated fuck up in Spain v Jocks With the Jocks having perfectly good goal disallowed for a supposed foul I’m not one to hinge on side of the Jocks but that was a ridiculous decision
 
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