VAR Discussion Thread - 2023/24 | PL clubs to vote on whether to scrap VAR (pg413)

Would you want VAR scrapped?

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daveyboybluemoon said:
They did one of these shows last season and announced at the start of the season that these would be done monthly throughout the season, so its got nothing to do with us supposedly benefitting
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fair play, its the first ive seen of the show
 
Wtaf? Webb has now decided Ake's goal should have been offside? I don't know where I am with any of this any more.

Firstly, we all know Akanji was clearly offside in the spirit of the game, because he was in an offside position and the keeper had to wait until the ball passed him before completing his save, at least he had to delay it. But this is what they said after the Rashford non-offside decision. "

"The real case for discussion is about Ederson, and whether his actions would have changed had Rashford not been there. Perhaps, but Rashford doesn't impact the goalkeeper's ability to come and play the ball. He may affect his choice to do so, and how he might shape for a save, but the law doesn't discuss how a player might behave differently if the offside player isn't present; it only discusses the ability of an opponent to play the ball."

This was from Dale Johnson's article, but it is based on feedback given by the PL and PGMOL.

So now fast forward to Webb and Akanji. "It certainly appears Akanji has an impact on Leno the goalkeeper who seems to hesitate. We think it's a clear situation of offside, unfortunately it wasn't identified on the day. This was an error."

So which is it, for fuck's sake?

I used to think VAR audio would show the world that referees really do know what they are doing, and that they make sound, rational, even consistent decisions based on the laws and their guidelines. That was before the Rashford nonsense. Now this just confirms they make it up as they go along with nary a consideration of the actual LOTG or their idiot guidelines. They can all get fucked. Cunts.
 
mancboy said:
I think in some aspects you're wrong mate, the issue for me isnt that we benefitted from a dodgy decision its how it was reported and played out in the media, as i have said in the past, skys actual headline was city beat fulham 5-1 after contentious second goal, like that singular incident was central to the whole game, at no point were there any headlines saying utd eek out win against wolves after none penalty call or utd helped to victory over forest after contentious sending off and penalty, or how about liverpool put 3 past bournemouth after surprising penalty decisions.

Of course it was a contentious and downright dodgy decision but as i have said in the past and other people have said to put that as the headline and defining point of the game and literally have programmes on a tuesday night after the game was on a saturday still discussing it is crazy, where was all this when utd, arsenal, liverpool all benefitted from contentious decisions that actually were game changers.
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Reminded me of when Dyche was Burnley manager, few home games we slapped them 5 or 6 nil with them crossing the halfway line maybe 3 times in both games. Press conference afterwards. "I thought the referee had a massive impact on the game"
 
As someone who is generally down on VAR and can't stand how Stockley Park get involved... thought it was really illuminating last night to hear the process for how they come to their decisions. The best I've felt about VAR since its introduction.
 
give it to gordon said:
I was surprised how poor the communication between the pitch ref and VAR refs.
Talking over each other just seemed like blokes in the pub chatting over the noise.

Who would have thought that the Aussies have it better !

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The footage was misleading. The conversation between the VAR and the AVAR would not have been audible to the match officials. The referee can only hear the VAR when he is directly addressing him. And the AVAR and the other match officials would shut up during those times so it is a clear one to one conversation between the referee and the VAR.

They played two simultaneous but independent conversations over each other which gave the mistaken impression it was one big free for all.
 
Stephen230 said:
The footage was misleading. The conversation between the VAR and the AVAR would not have been audible to the match officials. The referee can only hear the VAR when he is directly addressing him. And the AVAR and the other match officials would shut up during those times so it is a clear one to one conversation between the referee and the VAR.

They played two simultaneous but independent conversations over each other which gave the mistaken impression it was one big free for all.
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Possibly true, but seeing some of the decisions given, you could be forgiven for believing it is some kind of chimps tea party set-up between the culprits.

And this is without even considering their level of impartiality / bias.
 
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If PGMOL want to be truly transparent then they should have their own web site which has every decision reviewed by VAR on tap for everybody to watch/hear.

Selecting incidents that have already been done to death by the media shows up that organisation for the rank bunch of amateurs they really are.

Before they allow us, the ticket buying match going fan, to be a party to any of their ponderings everything will have been heavily edited.

As people have pointed out Salah was clearly blocking the keepers view against Villa. Did VAR even revue it, and if they did what was the conversation?

PIGMOL are like a secret society there is absolutely no way you can contact them.
 
Gray said:
If PGMOL want to be truly transparent then they should have their own web site which has every decision reviewed by VAR on tap for everybody to watch/hear.

Selecting incidents that have already been done to death by the media shows up that organisation for the rank bunch of amateurs they really are.

Before they allow us, the ticket buying match going fan, to be a party to any of their ponderings everything will have been heavily edited.

As people have pointed out Salah was clearly blocking the keepers view against Villa. Did VAR even revue it, and if they did what was the conversation?

PIGMOL are like a secret society there is absolutely no way you can contact them.
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@Gray - we both know that Webb and crew have absolutely no desire for their decisions to be made transparent, but the braindeads might just believe their bullshit because they have a programme identifying certain incidents.


Time after time , same old etc.
 
Someone will hack the VAR system soon and every single audio since VAR was introduced will be released.
I think we may get some interesting information from it and a few sackings.
 
Rashfords off side last Jan , Attwell was supposedly told by VAR "to let it stand to level things up" anyone else heard this and can verify ?? Or just rumours.

Clearly hugely damming and has massive implications if true??
 
Attwell appears in so many of these dubious decisions that I refuse to believe that he is anything but a proper manipulator/facilitator on PiGMOL's high achiever list.
 
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