VAR Discussion Thread - 2023/24 | PL clubs to vote on whether to scrap VAR (pg413)

Would you want VAR scrapped?

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halfcenturyup said:
They should know it all, tbh. Pretty damming if they don't. I mentioned before that the skilkset to referee is different to the skillset to be VAR imho.

Referees have to make decisions in a chaotic environment in a split second, sometimes, often maybe, guessing what may have happened. Everyone understands that. It's a tough job.

But the VAR needs to be structured, precise, clear and confident. Just dumping referees in there when they aren't properly prepared is a disaster waiting to happen. And the audio proves it. Again imho.
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Yes they should, but Webb has proved this week he doesnt. And he’s the head of it.

Just seen the VAR process in the rugby. Transparent clear and they know the laws and make the decision accordingly within seconds. . Football is an embarrassment by comparison. Deliberately so??
 
bluenova said:
It does sound pretty chaotic, which I guess is lots of people trying to make a decision quickly, but there are various references to the law mentioned in the Ake video. They mention "line of sight" almost immediately, then "offside position" and finally, "has he made an obvious action to impact on the ability of the goalkeeper" which is a paraphrasing of the law.

They then focus on whether it's having a clear impact, and they seem to agree fairly easily that it's not clear enough to say yes. They talk about Leno having sight of the ball the whole time, and the time to make a full length dive.

Given the decision they came up with at the end, I'd be pretty happy with that review. Webb makes it clear that he'd disallow it, but his own language about the impact on Leno is pretty wishy-washy. The VAR argued that it was a subjective decision, and Webb, even with time to think about this, still uses weak language, using words like "seems" to have an effect on Leno, or "we think". All very passive, rather that "it has an effect", and "it is".
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The ultimate reference must be the Laws of the Game. The literal reading of the above referenced "law" is ( a player in an offside position is offside if he is ) making an obvious action which clearly impacts on the ability of an opponent to play the ball . Taking the wording literally - there is nothing that Akanji did that impacts on the ability of Leno to play the ball . Webb is ignoring the very deliberate wording of this law to support the media campaign to obscure the corrupt decisions the rags benefit from by saying " but look- Man City benefit from poor decisions too!. If Akanji is offside ( by his interfering with Leno's thought- process ) then any goal , where a player is in an "offside position" could be chalked-off because a defender may have reacted to his being in an offside position. But then Webb would remind you that a referee should consider what is "the fairest" outcome and what is "fair" against Man City might be "unfair" against Man Ure.
 
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People are often calling for us to learn lessons from Rugby Union. But I had the misfortune of watching a bit of that shite England, Argies game yesterday. What the fuck was going on there?

First of all some guy accidentally headbutts someone and the ref gives him a yellow card. Then they wait a few minutes while the VAR confirms. All good so far. But then about 10 minutes later some other VAR suddenly decides it should have been a red card after all and the ref tells him to clear off out of the sin bin ‘cos he ain’t coming back.

You can’t really have an equivalent in football as we’ve no sin bin. But can you imagine if the ref and the VAR agree on one decision and 10 minutes later some greater power overrules them both? Jesus, the internet would explode.
 
Stephen230 said:
People are often calling for us to learn lessons from Rugby Union. But I had the misfortune of watching a bit of that shite England, Argies game yesterday. What the fuck was going on there?

First of all some guy accidentally headbutts someone and the ref gives him a yellow card. Then they wait a few minutes while the VAR confirms. All good so far. But then about 10 minutes later some other VAR suddenly decides it should have been a red card after all and the ref tells him to clear off out of the sin bin ‘cos he ain’t coming back.

You can’t really have an equivalent in football as we’ve no sin bin. But can you imagine if the ref and the VAR agree on one decision and 10 minutes later some greater power overrules them both? Jesus, the internet would explode.
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Not sure what the point is? They followed their new protocol pretty well, all in the background without delaying the game. Professional and clear. And I don't see too many people saying it was a mistake?
 
halfcenturyup said:
Not sure what the point is? They followed their new protocol pretty well, all in the background without delaying the game. Professional and clear. And I don't see too many people saying it was a mistake?
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I don’t know enough about it to know whether it was the right decision or not.

Just thought it was a bit bizarre the way they had a VAR telling the ref what to do and then what seemed like an age later a higher VAR telling them both they were wrong.

If the original decision had been no sanction, would the guy have played on for 10 minutes before the chief VAR guy finally got round to deciding it was a red card?
 
Bluearmy said:
Yes they should, but Webb has proved this week he doesnt. And he’s the head of it.

Just seen the VAR process in the rugby. Transparent clear and they know the laws and make the decision accordingly within seconds. . Football is an embarrassment by comparison. Deliberately so??
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Just to add the laws of rugby are far more complex than football the thick wankers ruling on our game wouldn't cope
 
Stephen230 said:
I don’t know enough about it to know whether it was the right decision or not.

Just thought it was a bit bizarre the way they had a VAR telling the ref what to do and then what seemed like an age later a higher VAR telling them both they were wrong.

If the original decision had been no sanction, would the guy have played on for 10 minutes before the chief VAR guy finally got round to deciding it was a red card?
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No. Referee and VAR agreed it was clearly yellow or red, so the protocol is that a yellow should be given to allow a more considered "bunker review" during the ten minute penalty. If it had been a clear red, the referee and VAR would have given it initially. If it wasn't worth any penalty according to the referee or VAR, there would be no "bunker review".

Seems sensible to me in a sport that is getting more sensitive to dangerous play.

Would it work in football? Not without a sin-bin. Would a sin-bin be a good idea in football? That's a different question. :)
 
halfcenturyup said:
No. Referee and VAR agreed it was clearly yellow or red, so the protocol is that a yellow should be given to allow a more considered "bunker review" during the ten minute penalty. If it had been a clear red, the referee and VAR would have given it initially. If it wasn't worth any penalty according to the referee or VAR, there would be no "bunker review".

Seems sensible to me in a sport that is getting more sensitive to dangerous play.

Would it work in football? Not without a sin-bin. Would a sin-bin be a good idea in football? That's a different question. :)
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Well thanks for the explanation. Suppose it makes sense. I don’t think I’ll be bothering again though. Not really for me.
 
TinFoilHat said:
I'm guessing the Dutch FA won't pay for it for it to be used in the women's game?
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either way, those that think everything will be hunky dory just by scrapping VAR don't seem to realise how much uproar there would be without it.


England boss Sarina Wiegman, returning to her home country, said it was "frustrating" to see an "obvious" offside goal given in Tuesday's defeat.

"I think the whole stadium thought it was offside," she added.

"When you talk about VAR, of course it would have taken away that goal.
 
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