VAR Discussion Thread - 2023/24 | PL clubs to vote on whether to scrap VAR (pg413)

Would you want VAR scrapped?

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Bazzmand Show said:
To me a big issue here as well is the on field referees appear terrified to go against the VAR team. So they get called over to look at an incident and then bottle it and just go with whatever VAR has said.

Firslty fuck knows what the VAR team were thinking calling it over for a review anyway, then secondly the ref should have the fortitude to stand by his original decision instead of falling like a deck of cards.
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This morning I put a recording of last seasons City v Leipzig on. Our first goal, penalty for handball, didn't touch the defenders arm but the ref was too weak to challenge Var. Its a shit show.
 
BlueHammer85 said:
Just seen that PSG penalty decision - Do they have different laws in champions league with handball ? The ref clearly saw on the monitor that it comes off his chest onto his arm, absolutely no way would that have been given in the Prem
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... are you sure about that? incompetency thrives here too don't you know? Plus certain teams in red jerseys tend to get some..... "strange" decisions.
 
BigJoe#1 said:
... are you sure about that? incompetency thrives here too don't you know? Plus certain teams in red jerseys tend to get some..... "strange" decisions.
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Is there any examples of deflection off the body on to the arm been given as a penalty in the Prem this season? it happens alot but i can only recall the ref/VAR not giving them this season.
 
BlueHammer85 said:
Is there any examples of deflection off the body on to the arm been given as a penalty in the Prem this season? it happens alot but i can only recall the ref/VAR not giving them this season.
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The reference about deflecting off the body was removed from the laws at the start of last season so it shouldn't be used when making the decision on handball.
The only thing referees are supposed to consider is if the player is making themselves bigger and is the arm in an unnatural position when taking in to account their natural movement.
 
Last nights VAR official from the Toon game replaced for tonight’s games.

So they can fuck up at will and their punishment is to miss a game?
 
LangleyBlue1970 said:
Last nights VAR official from the Toon game replaced for tonight’s games.

So they can fuck up at will and their punishment is to miss a game?
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You have to ask that "If Newcastle fail to qualify for the knockout rounds directly as a result of that decision.... will a law suite follow"

Surely there would be grounds for one, given the obviousness of the event. Interesting times.
 
BigJoe#1 said:
You have to ask that "If Newcastle fail to qualify for the knockout rounds directly as a result of that decision.... will a law suite follow"

Surely there would be grounds for one, given the obviousness of the event. Interesting times.
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I think part of the terms and conditions for taking part in sporting events like this is that you can't sue the governing body or officials for results relating to bad or missed decisions.
 
BerkshireBlue said:
do your own research
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I have done my own research and can't find anything to back up your claim that "the rules are different in Europe".
As I can't find verification for the claim you have repeatedly made I asked you to provide proof of your statement, that's how burden of proof works.
You can't just throw out any old nonsense then when asked to back up your theory reply "do your own research", that's how conspiracy theories work not actual factual statements.
 
danielwood5 said:
I have done my own research and can't find anything to back up your claim that "the rules are different in Europe".
As I can't find verification for the claim you have repeatedly made I asked you to provide proof of your statement, that's how burden of proof works.
You can't just throw out any old nonsense then when asked to back up your theory reply "do your own research", that's how conspiracy theories work not actual factual statements.
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UEFA don’t have their own set of laws of the game.

But the proof is on show every single week that they are instructing their officials to interpret the handball law stricter than we see here in England.

If a regular Champions League referee decided off his own back that he wasn’t keen on that interpretation, he’d more than likely find himself doing games in The Europa or Conference, at best.
 
CC1 said:
I’m not paranoid but isn’t last nights decision following the usual UEFA agenda - they WANT PSG; Madrid; Barca; Bayern; scum; an Italian team; dippers in the knockout stages. Newcastle are suffering like we did (& still do to some extent) & are also a financial threat. Can’t let another oil club overtake the “special” ones
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If the dippers get to the knock out stage of the CL then it really is bent :)
 
BlueHammer85 said:
By UEFA rules the ref had to give the pen.
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The really baffling thing is a very similar incident happened with Miley earlier in the game. Ball bounces up off his thigh and hits his arm. In fact I thought Miley's was worse than the later incident with Livramento, yet VAR looked at the Miley 'handball' and didn't advise the ref to go to the screen.

How can VAR let that one go and then advise the ref to go and have a look at Livramento's when it's the exact same type of incident? That's what really pisses people off....it's the glaring inconsistency. Given the timing and the team who could benefit, some would allege cheating or worse. I couldn't possibly comment.....
 
danielwood5 said:
I have done my own research and can't find anything to back up your claim that "the rules are different in Europe".
As I can't find verification for the claim you have repeatedly made I asked you to provide proof of your statement, that's how burden of proof works.
You can't just throw out any old nonsense then when asked to back up your theory reply "do your own research", that's how conspiracy theories work not actual factual statements.
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Apart from refs, the bbc, guardian, independent any others who know what they are talking about saying they are different. Show me proof from any source to say they are the same
 
Stephen230 said:
UEFA don’t have their own set of laws of the game.

But the proof is on show every single week that they are instructing their officials to interpret the handball law stricter than we see here in England.

If a regular Champions League referee decided off his own back that he wasn’t keen on that interpretation, he’d more than likely find himself doing games in The Europa or Conference, at best.
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don't bother trying to educate him the guy is a nutter
 
Stephen230 said:
UEFA don’t have their own set of laws of the game.

But the proof is on show every single week that they are instructing their officials to interpret the handball law stricter than we see here in England.

If a regular Champions League referee decided off his own back that he wasn’t keen on that interpretation, he’d more than likely find himself doing games in The Europa or Conference, at best.
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That would all be fine if we could find UEFA's version of the guidance for referee's, they hadn't issued a statement at the start of the year stating that they want referees in Europe to use the actual Laws of the Game when determining handball to give less stupidly harsh handball decisions, the VAR guy who gave the decision yesterday wasn't stood down from today's games and UEFA hadnt made a statement saying that the decision was wrong and shouldn't have been given.
All the evidence available this year suggests UEFA are trying to make handball decisions across Europe closer to the way they're made in the Premier League, this way we hopefully won't get the same ludicrous decisions we had last year or late on in the game yesterday.
Unless anyone can find the guidance that says that UEFA are directing referees to use different guidance to the FA, because I've looked and can't find it.
 
BerkshireBlue said:
Apart from refs, the bbc, guardian, independent any others who know what they are talking about saying they are different. Show me proof from any source to say they are the same
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Here's the statement on the application of the Laws of the Game on the IFAB website showing that the Laws of the Game are written and applied universally;

Applying the Laws
The same Laws apply in every match in every confederation, country, town and village and, apart from the modifications permitted by The IFAB (see ‘General modifications’), the Laws must not be modified or changed, except with the permission of The IFAB.

You can find more information on the web page here;

THE IFAB - About The Laws | IFAB

www.theifab.com www.theifab.com

Here's the statement on the Laws of the Game on UEFA's website stating that IFAB are responsible for setting and clarifying the Laws and any guidance;

Football's laws of the game

Football’s constant evolution means that the Laws of the Game (rules) are reviewed and updated on an annual basis. A clear understanding of these developments is essential for match officials at all levels, as well as players, coaches, fans and the media.

The International Football Association Board (The IFAB) is an independent governing body responsible for setting, amending and clarifying the Laws of the Game.

The actual written Laws of the Game, as applied in every football competition worldwide can be found here;

International Football Association Board | Laws of the Game | IFAB

The International Football Association Board (IFAB) are the independent guardians of the football rules of association football.
www.theifab.com www.theifab.com

Is this enough for you or are you just going to stick with the childish name calling now that your assertion of "the rules are different in Europe" is demonstrably false?
 
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