VAR (PL introduction 2019)

richardtheref said:
The one I picked up on yesterday was they said that the VAR has picked up an attempted kick towards Bernie by Trent AA. They then indicated that the officials had deemed no further action as it had not connected. Well last I looked in the laws of the game attempting to kick your opponent was classed as violent conduct and should be an automatic red. Nowhere does it state that you have to connect with attempted kick, punch, head butt etc
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He should have been at least booked for the preceding challenge, he tried to run straight through Bernie.
 
BlueAnorak said:
For offside, It kind of depends where the VAR official decides when the ball was passed/headed/touched. The rules where changed a few years ago to indicate that the decision point was now as soon as the ball is touched (replacing the previous decision point when the ball was released).
I have no problem with this, the problem I have is that this decision point is never shown as part as the TV VAR decision, so how can it be validated? There just isn't any transparency.
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On offside, wondering if anyone can clear this up. On Sunday, we rightly got flagged a couple of times when Jesus and Ilkay (i think) were a touch ahead. Flag went up and the game stopped. Are we not supposed to play on now and then check? Given that players typically stop if they spot the flag, should the linesperson not keep the flag down now unless it's blatant?
 
richardtheref said:
The one I picked up on yesterday was they said that the VAR has picked up an attempted kick towards Bernie by Trent AA. They then indicated that the officials had deemed no further action as it had not connected. Well last I looked in the laws of the game attempting to kick your opponent was classed as violent conduct and should be an automatic red. Nowhere does it state that you have to connect with attempted kick, punch, head butt etc
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Yeah but but it wasn't Pertov or Dunnymonster so it's different.
 
joe123 said:
On offside, wondering if anyone can clear this up. On Sunday, we rightly got flagged a couple of times when Jesus and Ilkay (i think) were a touch ahead. Flag went up and the game stopped. Are we not supposed to play on now and then check? Given that players typically stop if they spot the flag, should the linesperson not keep the flag down now unless it's blatant?
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That's right, as I understand it. Maybe it was obvious to the linesperson from being in line.
 
joe123 said:
On offside, wondering if anyone can clear this up. On Sunday, we rightly got flagged a couple of times when Jesus and Ilkay (i think) were a touch ahead. Flag went up and the game stopped. Are we not supposed to play on now and then check? Given that players typically stop if they spot the flag, should the linesperson not keep the flag down now unless it's blatant?
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That is the instructions that referees in the Champions League have been given. Let VAR deal with the tight decisions only put the flag up if its definately offside.
I'm convinced that In the Premier League it will be used differently to bend match results.
 
BlueAnorak said:
That is the instructions that referees in the Champions League have been given. Let VAR deal with the tight decisions only put the flag up if its definately offside.
I'm convinced that In the Premier League it will be used differently to bend match results.
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Yep. Flag stays down on 'tight' decisions, only flag if obvious. So that will depend, of course, what colour shirt he's wearing.
 
I've a question on VAR , doesnt everyone?

On Sunday, KDB was flagged immediately as being offside, [presume official flagged immediately, as they believed it was 100% offside]

and I believe EPL officials flag immediately if they believe it to be 100% offside]. However, officials are only human of course. I've been

at the match and thought us or our opponents were miles offside or not, then seeing it later thinking, well how wrong was I [or the official].

If the player ignores official and refs whistle and plays on, will he be booked for dissent?

If so, what happens when that 100% offside flag, is made closer to goal and player decides to shoot and "scores", is that "goal" VAR checked

or not? Before or after refs whistle? Could you still be booked for dissent afterwards even if VAR checks & finds official offside call was wrong?

I think this year you are still booked for taking your shirt off or excessive celebrations even if VAR decide it's not a goal, as it was your intention.
 
My understanding is that the only thing that stops play while the ball is on the field is the ref's whistle. The flag by itself doesn't do anything.

Running on half the pitch and shooting might get someone booked.
Being ten yards out and shooting probably shouldn't get a booking, even if the whistle goes.

Every PL goal will be checked for offside, flag or no flag. Only if the whistle goes before the ball has crossed the line is the ball dead, and can't be overturned.
 
Interesting debate on Sky just now between Neil Swarbrick and Charlie Nicholas about how its being implemented in the PL, seems the media pundits etc were invited to the VAR "shack" to be shown. Nicholas who said he was very sceptical about it all, says he's changed his mind, Swarbrick has said some good things.

I've turned it off now, as they used as an example how Kompany should have been sent off v Liverpool (and of course that would have won them the league), so they can f*ck off, it'll be used against us, unless we hear everything discussed.
 
joe123 said:
On offside, wondering if anyone can clear this up. On Sunday, we rightly got flagged a couple of times when Jesus and Ilkay (i think) were a touch ahead. Flag went up and the game stopped. Are we not supposed to play on now and then check? Given that players typically stop if they spot the flag, should the linesperson not keep the flag down now unless it's blatant?
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The flag will stay down until that phase of play is finished, i.e. He shoots/passes back/checks back.

The flag only stays down on a tight call, that the linesman deems is offside, if a goal is scored. If the player shoots and misses/it's saved, the offside flag them goes up.
 
cleavers said:
Interesting debate on Sky just now between Neil Swarbrick and Charlie Nicholas about how its being implemented in the PL, seems the media pundits etc were invited to the VAR "shack" to be shown. Nicholas who said he was very sceptical about it all, says he's changed his mind, Swarbrick has said some good things.

I've turned it off now, as they used as an example how Kompany should have been sent off v Liverpool (and of course that would have won them the league), so they can f*ck off, it'll be used against us, unless we hear everything discussed.
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Hehe just showed a clip rags v Swansea Rashford dives keeper had pulled his arms away the ref was swarbrick,pen given he then says” if I’d had var no pen and Rashford booked for simulation”,yeah right ...
 
cleavers said:
Interesting debate on Sky just now between Neil Swarbrick and Charlie Nicholas about how its being implemented in the PL, seems the media pundits etc were invited to the VAR "shack" to be shown. Nicholas who said he was very sceptical about it all, says he's changed his mind, Swarbrick has said some good things.

I've turned it off now, as they used as an example how Kompany should have been sent off v Liverpool (and of course that would have won them the league), so they can f*ck off, it'll be used against us, unless we hear everything discussed.
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They didn't say VK should have been sent off. Basically, they said that VAR would have backed whatever decision the referee made as there is an argument for yellow or red to have been given.
 
Alan Harper's Tash said:
They didn't say VK should have been sent off. Basically, they said that VAR would have backed whatever decision the referee made as there is an argument for yellow or red to have been given.
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I agree, but my moan was that it was shown at all, they could have used numerous dives and offsides by "A N other" club that were wrong, but that was the one they picked.

Until we hear the dialogue at the stadium (and on TV obviously), we fans will have no idea why a decision is given (or not), and if you don't think we'll be shafted as and when they can, the fair enough, but we will, you can bank on it.
 
cleavers said:
I agree, but my moan was that it was shown at all, they could have used numerous dives and offsides by "A N other" club that were wrong, but that was the one they picked.

Until we hear the dialogue at the stadium (and on TV obviously), we fans will have no idea why a decision is given (or not), and if you don't think we'll be shafted as and when they can, the fair enough, but we will, you can bank on it.
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The dives are pretty clear cut though. I saw VK's challenge as a good example of a borderline decision that can be argued either way.

I didn't think into was a red and was glad to see that VAR wouldn't have overturned it.

I was a massive fan of the concept of VAR, but become less so as it has evolved. The women's WC became a farce at times with its over zealous usage.

If VAR is used as described in that debate show, I think it could be a positive. That being said, however, I'm still sceptical that it won't be overused.
 
Alan Harper's Tash said:
The dives are pretty clear cut though. I saw VK's challenge as a good example of a borderline decision that can be argued either way.

I didn't think into was a red and was glad to see that VAR wouldn't have overturned it.

I was a massive fan of the concept of VAR, but become less so as it has evolved. The women's WC became a farce at times with its over zealous usage.

If VAR is used as described in that debate show, I think it could be a positive. That being said, however, I'm still sceptical that it won't be overused.
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It is a good thing in principle,but still open to manipulation,didn’t like it when they talked about ref on pitch has final say over decisions,yet a few minutes later went on about keeping the game going not stop start,and if var ref can assist ref and AVOID using tv monitor all the time then it’s only a good thing,so otherwise pick and chose which incidents to review on pitchside monitor...
 
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