VAR thread 2022/23

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BlueHammer85 said:
I wonder if in any of the 122 pages anyone has said ‘VAR is great’ … yet it still gets quoted. Strange.
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Quite a few have said it's a great idea, me being one. However, definitely not the same as saying 'VAR is great'. It hasn't had a great 24hrs.

Who would have thought you could so massively fuck up a system that gives officials a second look at an incident away from the pressure cauldron of the stadium.

Fucking arseholes.

Mind you, the pundits/media with their own agenda don't help. Look at the Coutinho goal yesterday. I've just seen a news item pop up about it from Sky Sports. They go into great detail about how it was a good goal, quotes from Slippy and Spitty about how it should have stood. At no point did they say the players had stopped due to the whistle being blown. It was a great strike but they should at least report that Coutinho was unopposed as the City players had stopped for the whistle.
 
malg said:
Quite a few have said it's a great idea, me being one. However, definitely not the same as saying 'VAR is great'. It hasn't had a great 24hrs.

Who would have thought you could so massively fuck up a system that gives officials a second look at an incident away from the pressure cauldron of the stadium.

Fucking arseholes.

Mind you, the pundits/media with their own agenda don't help. Look at the Coutinho goal yesterday. I've just seen a news item pop up about it from Sky Sports. They go into great detail about how it was a good goal, quotes from Slippy and Spitty about how it should have stood. At no point did they say the players had stopped due to the whistle being blown. It was a great strike but they should at least report that Coutinho was unopposed as the City players had stopped for the whistle.
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Ederson made no effort to save the shot either, can't argue the fact that the officials got it wrong though with a premature blowing of the whistle
 
flook said:
Ederson made no effort to save the shot either, can't argue the fact that the officials got it wrong though with a premature blowing of the whistle
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They didn’t get it wrong. ‘ It’s about protecting the product and ensuring competition for as long as is possible.’
 
The only thing VAR has proven is something that we have all claimed to be for a long, long time. That the referees do not know what they are doing.
When they ref'd a game 'ad-hoc' it was easy to hide, 1 quick look and no replays meant wrong decisions sometimes. But having the luxury of replays from many angles, and still coming up with a bad decision is intolerable.
Also, the assistant today at villa... why raise your flag? Let the phase play like you are told to. I don't think they would still have scored, but it's a very simple rule to follow.
I just don't see how refs/assistants can make such monumental mistakes so regularly.
 
So having spent most of the last week trying to convince myself that, probably, referees know what they are doing and they just don’t explain it well enough and quickly enough, they screw up big time. “What can be done?”, people keep asking. Here are my ideas:

Quality and authority of referees
  • Increase referees earnings. Make it a very rewarding profession, there is enough money in the game and I am sure there are plenty of authoritative, condescending people in the country (hell, there are plenty on here) who could handle 22 players on a pitch and who want to get rich.
  • Get referees from Europe. We have the best players in the world here. What is the issue? Get the best referees as well. Make sure we have the best referees in the world to go with the best “product”.
  • Actually punish abuse of referees. Swearing, physical intimidation, crowding. It isn't difficult. Just do it. Fans won't accept referee authority if players don't.
Inference of bias/corruption
  • Simplify the laws and interpretations of the game for marginal and non-marginal infractions. Every Joe in the stadium or at home should be able to judge on sight if something is a handball, a foul, a sending-off offence or, less hopefully admittedly, an off-side.
  • Let’s hear the communications between referee and VAR in real-time. Despite the fuck-ups I genuinely believe referees and VAR know what they are doing. Mostly. Let’s hear how they are doing it. There is no valid reason not to.
  • Slow motion replays should be banned for TV and VAR. If you need slow motion to check, it isn’t clear and obvious. People want to complain about referees decisions, let them do it at full speed, it’s unfair to referees to go over everything endlessly in slow-motion.
  • Increase tolerance for off-side decisions, including ball release frames. Select the frame when you think the ball is released but recognise accuracy is impossible, so go back two or three frames and if the result is onside in any frame, go with that. Give benefit of the doubt to the attacker, FFS, but do it consistently.
  • Have a regular independent review of the VAR decision-making process, compare incidents and report on inconsistencies. Recommend improvements. Everyone can make mistakes, but if mistakes continue to be made without being recognised and acted on, then as @SebastianBlue says, it becomes corruption (of the process, if not monetary) by definition. The process now is so opaque, it lends itself to allegations of corruption, favouritism, bias or manipulating outcomes. It’s so fucking stupid.
Sorry, post was too long. Felt good to write it, though.
 
I would get rid of it now until we have people in place who can actually use it right ............ just seen the West Ham disallowed goal and the Leeds pen ........ these ain’t even hard decisions but time and time again they continue to get them wrong
I mean you don’t mind the odd one but now it’s week after week game after game
 
Mick_ said:
Here's another view, nothing to see here.

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Agree this is bad. Just seen on MOTD the ref was new, 7th game. Lee Mason a very “experienced” ref on VAR. Lee Mason chose not to show the reverse angle to the new Ref which clearly shows the push (not that it cant be seen anyway to most). Its either a penalty or a goal. How a referee has got to the point that they disallow it is an embarrassment.

VAR shows exactly what happened. The clueless referee’s yet again making awful decisions
 
yeah whatever !! said:
VAR actually works when used correctly ...it's the numpties in charge of it that are ineffective.
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Unfortunately, I think you'll find that the numpties in charge are actually VERY effective..

What these VAR officials need to be made do is to come out after each game and explain to the watching public how they arrived at their decisions.

Make them take ownership of their calls and explain to us all, why for example, Van Djik's studs up tackle was deemed not worthy of a VAR review by the dippers go to VAR assistant, Darren England..

Can't have the dippers having another player suspended whilst they are playing catch-up in a multi billion pound sports industry.

West Ham were completely fcuked over as were Newcastle yesterday.

Leeds had a nailed on penalty waived away.

These decisions are not hard calls.

VAR needs seriously looking into because it's obviously not fit for purpose.

Having a washed up Dermot Gallagher, 2 clueless dippers and a SKY presenter in the studio, cracking jokes at every dodgy VAR decision being reviewed on a Monday morning is a fcuking insult to football fans up and down the Country.

Until the people who are calling the shots are made accountable for their actions then nothing will change and we will ultimately end up with a football version of a Saturday afternoon wrestling show when you all knew who was going to win before the bell fkin rang..!
 
VAR hasn't improved decisions there are as many now as there were before
VAR takes the enjoyment out of celebrating a goal
VAR has introduced laboratory conditions to offside and ignores the spirit of the law, giving an advantage to the defender, ruled out great goals for a player being mm offside
VAR is used for clear and obvious mistakes REALLY?
VAR is the operators it has nor delivered as promised, before those advocates say its not the VAR wrong it the operators,
VAR extends the career of officials so its in their interests to defend it, poor refs like Lee Mason are now on VAR coining it in for a cosy life
VAR needs to go, and soon, there is no reason to keep it
 
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Just seen the Newcastle one ......... so how many’s that in one day ????
Like I said the odd one but this is 4 of the top of my head in one day ............ and until there are people in there that actually can get decisions right then get rid of it
Peter Walton on BT explaining the decision not to send Van Dijk off yesterday just sums up these clueless twats for what they are :(
If it’s on the foot it’s a yellow
If it’s on the shin it’s a red
We all ok with that ???

Walton ...... because it slid down the shin it’s deemed a yellow?????

Honestly I seriously give up with it all ........the greatest league in the world with arguably the best players going being badly let down by a bunch of fooking amateurs
 
Clubs should only agree to VAR being used if the VAR decision and the refs are broadcast. Plus managers and players can commit on the decision.

Why are they so scared to let us know how they came to that decision ?

Until than the accusations of match fixing amongst fans will carry on and the press/media ignore that thought !
 
Gordyola said:
VAR needs to go, and soon, there is no reason to keep it
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Genuine yes or no questions and yes some hypothetical scenarios which do occur often without VAR


Would you scrap goal line technology to see if the ball has crossed the line or not ? - If yes, then you may have disallowed a perfectly good goal.

Would you scrap VAR help to determine a offside even if a player is one or 2 foot offside which the lino has missed ? - If yes then you’ve allowed a player to score even though he is clearly offside, not marginal, or by millemeters but way offside.

Would you scrap VAR if there is a off the ball incident - say a player headbutts or punches another player and all the officials miss it ? - - If yes, then you allow that player that’s committed an assault to just carry on

Would you scrap VAR even though a player has dived and cheated the ref and there was zero contact ? - if yes, then you allow players to dive with zero contact and get rewarded with penalty’s


now I know VAR is getting these calls wrong despite the reviews as clearly showed in games yesterday, but the above is what happens without VAR and why in my opinion we need to keep progressing with VAR - it would be farcical to scrap it now and go back to how it was. Nothing would be resolved.
 
It’s blatantly obvious to all on here bar two, or has @Blue Mist changed sides, that there is something acutely wrong with the why VAR is being used. The concept is fine, it’s the people using it that’s the problem. Interesting that Oliver, when told to go to the screen yesterday, stuck to his decision despite it being wrong in the first place. Leeds penalty, Newcastle goal both should have been given and having allowed the West Ham goal it shouldn’t have been overturned. Villa goal isn’t up for discussion as the ref blew and it was a couple of se ones later the shot came in, by which time defenders had stopped and Eddie just waved at it. It is every week that it is happening yet nobody says a word about how shit it is. We have pundits who don’t even know the LOTG preaching to us about how wonderful it is, are they just as stupid.bWith each passing week the ‘brand’ is becoming more like WWE. Transparency is the first thing that should happen so the conversations can be heard, What’s there to hide? Corruption and cheating right in front of our eyes.
 
BlueHammer85 said:
Genuine yes or no questions and yes some hypothetical scenarios which do occur often without VAR


Would you scrap goal line technology to see if the ball has crossed the line or not ? - If yes, then you may have disallowed a perfectly good goal.

Would you scrap VAR help to determine a offside even if a player is one or 2 foot offside which the lino has missed ? - If yes then you’ve allowed a player to score even though he is clearly offside, not marginal, or by millemeters but way offside.

Would you scrap VAR if there is a off the ball incident - say a player headbutts or punches another player and all the officials miss it ? - - If yes, then you allow that player that’s committed an assault to just carry on

Would you scrap VAR even though a player has dived and cheated the ref and there was zero contact ? - if yes, then you allow players to dive with zero contact and get rewarded with penalty’s


now I know VAR is getting these calls wrong despite the reviews as clearly showed in games yesterday, but the above is what happens without VAR and why in my opinion we need to keep progressing with VAR - it would be farcical to scrap it now and go back to how it was. Nothing would be resolved.
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Goal line technology is completely different to VAR.
It's a definite yes or no on a non moving target.
Other than the one a few years ago when it broke and the goal wasn't given it's worked very well and there is no margin for human error or manipulation.
 
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